ASSASSINATION AS A TOOL OF FASCISM
[The following is a transcript of a talk given by John Judge at a
one-day conference entitled The Fourth Reich in America. A
transcript of the entire conference, `The Fourth Reich in
America,' is available from Flatland Books, P.O. Box 2420, Fort
Bragg, CA 95437.]
BRETT McCABE: I would like to introduce now, a man who is very
well known as an independent investigator and author. He's worked
for 20 years to expose U.S. government involvement in mind control
and murder. John Judge has also investigated the history of
Fascism and political assassination and cover-up from Nazi Germany
to John F Kennedy to Jonestown, Guyana. He works to expose US
plans for concentration camps and genocide, here and abroad. He
has had articles published in Critique, Utne Reader, Madness
Network News, and Overthrow, and has spoken on these topics on
radio, television, and in public forums since 1968. So, without
wasting any more time, I introduce to you, John Judge.
JOHN JUDGE: Thank you. I started this work, really, in a sense,
when I started to visit the Pentagon library. My parents, my
mother and father, and my aunt who I lived with, worked as
civilian employees in the Pentagon, and they used to take me in
when I was a kid. And by the 6th grade, I had a 12th grade reading
level, because I went to this private school, where they kind of
pushed us. So they would drop me off in the library for the day,
and I used to go through the stuff in there, because I was, you
know, 10-11 years old, nobody seemed to care much what I was
looking at. And I found it pretty interesting.
And one of the things I figured out back then, because I was
interested in UFOs, was that they were really government spy
craft, and not extraterrestrial craft from some other place. And
for those of you who wanted them to be extraterrestrial, maybe a
few of them were. But most of them were a Nazi secret weapon that
was developed in the aerospace caves outside of Berlin, and seen
by GIs when they came in, along with the jet engines. And it was a
technology that was kept secret. Like William S Burroughs says,
`If this was the Middle Ages, and Magellen was an American, and we
sailed around the planet and found out it was round instead of
flat, we wouldn't tell anybody so we could attack from the rear.'
So, I really began the research and the work there. And I like to
research, I like to read. And I would go to these cocktail parties
in my neighborhood around Christmas time, and the guy across the
street sold all the weapons to Howard Hughes, and the next door
neighbor was CIA, and two doors down was NASA, and those were my
neighbors in Falls Church, VA when I grew up, and they would get a
little stewed, and they'd talk about business.
And I thought it was all pretty strange, but I didn't have any
reason to question that there was a secret government, because I
lived with that secret government. And you get Bill Moyers now,
and he tells you, `Well, there's a legitimate government, but from
time to time, to do a certain job, they hire a rather unseemly
crew, and sometimes they get a little out of control and make
trouble.'
I'd suggest it's the other way around: that the real government
are the people that are doing the killing, and that they hire the
people in the three piece suits to stand up and make you think
you've got a democracy in front of you. Don't you think that's
what it is?
See, because the real government kills people, and that's part of
how it stays in power. Now, if you go back to the period at the
end of the Weimar Republic, in the late `20s and the early `30s,
before Hitler rose to power, you'll find a pattern of political
assassinations.
It's depicted, interestingly, in Ingmar Bergman's probably least
distributed film, The Serpent's Egg. And, the people that begin to
die are the labor leaders, the political activists, the musicians.
The people who might have an effective public voice, and might
stand against the Fascism, begin to die in large numbers. And the
German police admitted that these were political assassinations.
But they said they couldn't solve them. They couldn't make the
historical link to what was happening, or they could but were paid
not to, like many of the investigations that we have now in this
country: They couldn't solve those murders.
They couldn't hook them to the most obvious suspects, which were
the members of the Freikorps from World War I: the trained and
paid assassins from that period, who were helping to pave the way
for Hitler, and for the end of the political opposition there. And
there was plenty of it. I mean there was quite a bit of
socialist/communist organizing in that period. Marx's vision of
the world was that the first countries to make the change would be
these industrialized countries, like Germany, and so most of the
people that were continuing the Bolshevik revolution in those
years move foreward with that.
The idea of the political assassinations and their origins really
go back to 1918. Not that no one was killed earlier; I certainly
don't suggest that. But in terms of what we're dealing with in the
current period, most of this is a reaction to that revolution, to
that change of power there in Russia, and in some of the other
countries, in that period of time, in the early 1900s.
And in response to that there were monarchists, there were
industrialists, there were people that owned a tremendous amount
of wealth, both here in the United States and in the
industrialized countries in Europe, who had a vested interest in
reversing that. Just as Reagan seems so focused on changing the
situation in Nicaragua, there were people then who had very
definite reasons not to want that kind of social change (that
would redistribute wealth, or privilege, or power, to the extent
that it did, or was able to) to happen where they were. They
wanted to maintain their privileges.
And they had societies, they had groups that they formed. One of
them was the Solidarists, made up of a link between the emerging
Fascists and the neo-Nazis. Another core of reactionaries existed
within the Vatican and the Roman Catholic Church: Opus Dei, `The
Work of God,' was newly emerging on that scale. And then another
group that had been known as the Knights Hospitaliers, that were
the military arm of the Church during the Crusades, who became the
Knights of Malta. And these were lay aristocracies within the
Church. People that still believed that there shouldn't have been
a Counter-Reformation, that thought that the Inquisition should
have continued. People that used flagellation and hair shirts for
prayer. People sort of like the Christian Right that we talked
about earlier today, with a few more excesses, and a lot more
money.
And, it was in the interests of these people to have stories about
visions of the Virgin Mary coming, to Fatima, in the early 1900s
and telling them that God was against communism, so that the
Church would be against communism, and take up that struggle.
Elements of the state, and elements of the rich, and the
monarchies that still existed, formed a bond of interest. And, in
large part, one of the motivating people who went around and
collected their monies and their energies, in order to reverse the
revolutionary change in Russia, was Herbert Hoover, who spent
actually more time in Europe than he did in the United States. He
was also later responsible for the formation of the ideas that led
to the National Security Council and the National Security State.
And part of what happened was that the Romanoff treasury, which
was stolen and secreted out of the country, was then turned around
along with money collected by Hoover and these monarchists and
others to finance the rearmament of Germany, secretly, from 1918
to 1932. And it's that rearmament that then gave them the impetus
to set up the drive to essentially get back the Soviet Union. And
only because that drive was defeated at tremendoushuman cost -
about 20 million lives in Russia and those countries, some of the
worst killing went on there, and the civilians also, but
tremendous cost - they were militarily stopped in 1943.
And, at that point, a different position was taken by some of the
Allied countries. There were divisions within the class as to how
much money should have been expended on these Fascists. There were
others there who supported them, but it was time to regroup. It
was time to back off a little, to try to get what they had
together. The resources were more or less expended in the effort
to set up a permanent war economy, which Charles Wilson from
General Electric talked about. And to go into what they called the
`Cold War,' or `low intensity warfare,' and genocide against Third
World people, while they continued to build the empire and
maintain the hegemony. And to re-establish the Fourth Reich, the
Fascism, not only here in the United States but throughout the
world.
And part of that involved moving those Nazis all over the world.
Moving those Fascists. And not all the Germans were Fascists, and
not all the Fascists were German. There were Japanese Fascists, if
you remember. Some of them seem to be still in control today.
There was a kind of veiled threat, recently, from the Prime
Minister of Japan, that the forces that operated in World War II
hadn't forgotten what the US did to them; and that they were ready
to rise back up if we didn't stop messing around on these trade
issues for the international exchange. So the threat of them, you
know, is still there. We talk a lot about Nuremberg, but much less
about the Japanese war crime trials.
And it's known now, for instance, that when MacArthur's group went
in, they found evidence of the POWs being experimented on with
chemical and biological weapons by the Japanese. That they let all
the scientists that did those war crimes off the hook, in exchange
for the information that they could give them about how the
weapons worked. So that, to them, was a fair trade.
Many of those scientists, many of the munitions and aerospace
experts, many of the spies, (about 300 of them, in fact, under
General Reinhard Gehlen, who had headed up Hitler's intelligence
network for the east and the Soviet Union) were brought, from 1943
up until even more recently in the present day, into the United
States and into other countries around the world, South Africa
included. There's quite a bit of collaboration between the South
African government and World War II Fascists and Nazis. But the
Fascism was an indigenous problem in many, many countries. It
didn't just exist in Nazi Germany. There were groups of Fascists
that the Nazis were able to use in many countries as
collaborationist governments.
And the real hidden history of World War II was, in fact, the
defeat in many places of those forces by more progressive
elements. By people who were, out of reasons of patriotism, or out
of a more progressive political philosophy, bound and determined
to take back some freedom. And that's a history that hasn't had as
much play as the standard version of the Allied powers: these
empires getting together to defeat these things, the actual
struggles of the resistance to Fascism in the different countries
and what role that played.
Assassination was always a tool for them; not only the mass death,
but the individual death of the people that could make a
difference, of the politicians that might make a change, of the
people that stood in the way. And they perfected those techniques,
and those techniques were brought here and used in the United
States. So that when Mae Brussell did her work with the Warren
Commission, and I spent several years reading the volumes and
going into depth (and I went through about 300 cubic feet of
material in the Archives). We found those people in the Commission
Record. In key places. And I'll just talk to you about a few of
them, so you can get a sense of who these people are that I'm
talking about, and how they would play in.
One important one is an American, in fact, an American Fascist by
the name of John J McCloy. McCloy was a Rockefeller banking
lawyer. I saw Marcel Ophuls who did some of the films on the
Nuremburg situation, The Sorrow and the Pity, and Memory of
Justice, at a public talk. And someone came up and asked him about
McCloy, `Is he connected to the internationals?' And Ophuls said,
`It would be more accurate to say the internationals are connected
to him.'
There was a very good article some years ago in Harpers about him,
`Minister without Portfolio,' that began to go into his
background, all the way back to the 1920s when he was sent over to
Germany to check about World War I sabotage activities, and ended
up friends with some of Hitler's early cronies, and met Hitler,
and stayed in that area for some time. He was connected to
Sullivan and Cromwell, a Rockefeller banking firm that kept its
German investments going even after the mass deaths of the Jews
started in Germany. They had investments there that they didn't
want to back off from.
And McCloy eventually got into a position in the government where
he was the Under-Secretary of War. Somebody pointed out to me
earlier that 1947-1948 is also when we changed from `Secretary of
War,' to `Secretary of Defense.' And just that little word change
is enough propaganda to make clear what's happening.
John J McCloy, among other things during the period when he was
Under-Secretary of War, was responsible, along with Earl Warren
and a fellow named S Dillon Reed, for the set-up of the Japanese
concentration camps in the United States and the internment of
Japanese, not German or white peoples, but Japanese people here. A
lot of them lived out here in California, and you may know some of
the history of the different concentration camps that were out
here. People lost their property and their money. McCloy still
speaks openly against any reparations for those people, and
believes it was proper that he had them locked up and treated the
way that they were during the war.
And it's interesting also that he worked on that with Earl Warren,
who later shows up along with McCloy on the Warren Commission, to
study the investigation of John Kennedy's death. He's one of the
main members of the seven member Committee that helped to cover up
the death of John F Kennedy.
John J McCloy also, in his position in the government, blocked
efforts by the Jewish community here in America to have something
done about the Nazi concentration camps. We knew they were there,
we knew where they were. The Jews wanted the camps bombed, or they
wanted the railroads going to the camps bombed, something, to stop
the progress of the machinery of death in the Jewish community
there. And his response at the time was that it would lead to
`reparations against the Jews.' One has to wonder what they could
have been. But he refused to go along with those plans.
And then after the war, when we came in militarily, we set up a
fellow named General Lucius Clay, who also cut deals with many of
these top Nazi elements. And then Lucius Clay's military
occupation government was replaced by a transitional, but civil,
government of the Allied powers that would then lead eventually
into the earliest postwar German government. And who oversaw that
transition? McCloy, as the High Commissioner of Germany. In that
position he reversed some of the few convictions that happened at
the Nuremberg trials. Only eight war criminals were sentenced to
death for all the destruction that was done in that war. Only
eight. Some were given prison sentences and almost all of those
were out within a few years, in large part because of McCloy's
intervention.
Of course, the trials were also undermined. One of the key people
that undermined evidence and lost witnesses in that trial, working
with the US Army, was later to go on into the International (Red)
Cross, International Rescue Division. And that was one of a number
of agencies; the Vatican also had a line for this, that provided
false identification to the Nazi war criminals to help them move
internationally. And that International Rescue Committee is still
dominated by CIA and right wing elements. But at that time they
were providing the `Glockenspiel,' the false identity cards. And
then this fellow who moved into that position came to Texas. He
was with a CIA front, a foundation called M Anderson, for many,
many years. He was the special liaison between the Texas police
investigation and the Warren Commission investigation of John
Kennedy's death. And in that capacity he blocked any effective
local study of the death, or local news from getting to the Warren
Commission.
And there were a number of years when he was with Anderson. We
don't hear of him. And then he reappears as the `most trusted man
in America,' according to the press during the Watergate fiasco,
in order to pardon Nixon. His name is Leon Jaworski.
OK. So these people move throughout the history. So I'm trying to
give you some feel, or some examples, of how these people move.
McCloy pardons all these key Nazis. He pardons Krupp. He pardons
Dorhnberger. And these other top people are off the hook because
of his intervention. And then, not only do they come here, but he
continues to function right up to the current day. I mean Reagan,
at the time he went to Bitburg, had a White House ceremony for
some of them. The German government came and gave these awards to
John J McCloy for his excellent work there in the period when we
were supposed to be de-Nazifying Germany. And in fact, we were
leading to the Nazification of the world, including America.
Another example would be that scientist I just mentioned, Walter
Dorhnberger. He was a General, and he was responsible,
essentially, for helping Werhner von Braun and the rocket program
get whatever it wanted during the war. He was also responsible for
being part of the administration of the Dora concentration camp,
where Jews and other slave labor were worked to death building, at
a tremendous pace, these V1 and V2 rockets that were being used
against the civilian population in England. And there were heinous
examples, besides the level of the labor and the forced labor, of
public hangings and other types of war criminality there at Dora.
And all these people nowadays either aren't asked ... I mean, I
think they've got one sentence in one piece of footage of Werhner
von Braun, our fabulous rocket scientist, talking about Dora,
saying some little piece about the conditions in the mines, you
know, ` ... weren't that bad.'
The fact is, they were there. They were in an administrative
capacity. But because after the war we wanted their expertise, we
brought over a thousand of these scientists and their families.
They were down in Huntsville, Alabama. I don't know if you've ever
been there. The Chamber of Commerce is named after Werhner von
Braun. It has big pictures of all these Nazis and their families
with their hands up, taking their oath of American citizenship.
And they're proud of the Nazis they brought in. I guess to get 2
on the moon it's worth 30 million dead, huh?
One of them built the Saturn 5 rocket, and only just recently got
chased out of the country, much to the chagrin of Lyndon LaRouche
and his crew who are fighting to get him back in. That's Walter
Rudolph, who helped to get us to the moon. And without them, these
Nazis, we wouldn't have done it. Of course they say they weren't
`ardent' Nazis, whatever that means. They weren't involved in the
war crimes. But they were there, they were in the position to do
something, to speak out. And when asked they say, `Well if I'd
spoken out, I would have been in the camps with the Jews myself.
So what could I have done?'
And Dorhnberger was actually scheduled for indictment. The British
prosecutor, Shawcross, said that he ought to hang. He was
suspected of having worked, not only at Dora, but with the
`Butcher' at Auschwitz, at the Auschwitz concentration camp. And
instead, when Werhner von Braun got here to the United States, he
said that he wouldn't do any work on our rockets unless we saved
his mentor, his old friend, Walter Dorhnberger. So McCloy and
Lucius Clay intervened on his behalf and he was brought directly
to the United States. And first, he got a job in Huntsville, I
think at Mussel Shoals, with NASA for a little bit. And then he
got into a position that he kept for many, many years, where he
headed up the helicopter systems division at Bell Aircraft in the
Dallas/Houston area.
And it was in that position that he hired, during the 1950s and
`60s, a top-ranking military intelligence agent by the name of
Michael Paine. Michael Paine had a wife, Ruth Paine, and the two
of them were very tight with the White Russian Solidarist
community that lived in Dallas, many of these White Russians. And
I say the history of these Nazis dates back to the time of the
[Bolshevik] revolution. They're disaffected. Many of them worked
with the CIA and other spy agencies, and Paine's family had
connections with them. They went to a White Russian Orthodox
church there, in Dallas, that was built with monies from the
Cummins Catherwood Fund from Philadelphia. One of the blue-line
families out in Philadelphia, Cummins Catherwood also funded the
Cuban Aid Relief for the Bay of Pigs survivors, who were
intimately involved in the assassination.
It was at that church that meetings happened, in the Christmas of
the early `60s, between the Paines and the Oswalds. And it was the
Paines that housed Marina Oswald, out in Irving, Texas. It was the
Paines, along with Marina, who were some of the few people to
testify to the idea that Oswald owned a rifle. It was Ruth Paine
that got Oswald the job at the Book Depository, in October, and
placed him, in part, as the patsy there. It was her friend, Roy
Truly, who lied to the police, and said that they had taken a roll
call and that Oswald was the only one missing from the building at
the time they came in to find the so-called assassin. Even though
everybody else looked in a different direction to where the noise
had come from, up on the Grassy Knoll, the police ran to where
they were supposed to, to the School Book Depository.
So when you scratch the surface of how they set it up, who told
the lies, who engineered the `patsying' of Oswald, you find these
people with the connections to the International Fascists.
Werhner von Braun, knowing that the Russians, the Soviet troops,
were going to come into Berlin, packed up shop at Dora, where he
was building the rockets. He moved into Switzerland, leaving a
trail for US Intelligence, that had contacted him and other
scientists months before in something called Operation Overcast.
When he got up into that area, General Thurston, who was in charge
of the military takeover for that sector, followed through with
the arrangements to have him and several other scientists arrested
and brought to the United States.
The person who actually effected the arrests, the physical
arrests, of Werhner von Braun and the rocket scientists, the Paper
Clip boys (they called it Project Paper Clip, to bring these
people in) was the aide-de-camp to Thurston, a fellow named Clay
Shaw. Years later, Jim Garrison attempted to indict Clay Shaw for
his involvement in the assassination of John F Kennedy. And Clay
Shaw, among other things, was on the board of directors of a firm
called Permindex, which had offices at that time out of Canada.
Where they were doing training, along with British Intelligence,
of assassins all during World War II. It was work that involved,
among other people, Ian Fleming. And in fact, Ian Fleming's
character, James Bond, is a real person that lives in Philadelphia
and is very close to the Cummins Catherwood family.
So whenever I began to look, I found these little nests of snakes.
They intertwine, you know, they lock together, and their histories
coincide. They send each other books and messages. They know each
other. They get each other jobs.
Another person with connections to the Nazis, who was very
instrumental in the assassination, is George DeMohrenschildt. He
came from a reactionary family in Russia. His father was a top
level employee of the Nobel oil family, which was like the
Rockefellers here, prior to the [Bolshevik] revolution. They lost
their fortune there. His brother, Von DeMohrenschildt, was jailed
by the revolution for a period. When they got loose, they went to
Germany. They helped the Fascists set up. Von went into the
CIA-funded Tolstoy Foundation, which was a center for the White
Russians during the whole period. And George DeMohrenschildt was
an oil engineer. Among other places that he worked, and was close
to, was Kerr-McGee (he was tight with Mr. Kerr), where Karen
Silkwood was later killed by the Industrial Security Command
guards. That Defense Industrial Security Command was running
Mussel Shoals and Huntsville, Alabama, when the Nazis arrived.
You see, it just goes over and over, back and forth. You can find
the connections if you start with the evidence. If you look to see
who are these people, who do they know, how are they funded? And I
saw it not only there, but throughout the other assassinations.
Who were the top lieutenants in Jonestown? All were tied in with
the Nazi money, with the International Fascism, the training, or
the movements of the Nazis themselves. I wanted you to see this
before I quit. This is a documentary film made by a fellow named
Bob Groden. He worked at Life magazine, in the photo department,
when this film came from Dallas. This supposedly `homemade' film
was made by a fellow named Abraham Zapruder, who was a bystander
that `happened' to be standing near the Grassy Knoll filming the
motorcade go by. And he caught, on this little piece of film,
supposedly just by accident, the assassination of John F Kennedy.
The reason I'm making all these secondary comments is that we
found out when Abraham Zapruder died that he's a White Russian.
That he was from that same section there in Minsk, where George
DeMohrenschildt and Marina's family came from. Marina's uncle was
a high-ranking military officer in the NKVD, but her family was
White Russian and anti-communist. And Gehlen infiltrated a lot of
the KGB and Soviet military and intelligence structures during the
war, and left agents in place. There's reason to believe that a
number of people that were involved with Oswald, even in the
Soviet Union, also tie to this International Fascism; and not to
the idea that Oswald was some kind of a KGB agent. He was a Naval
Intelligence operative. He had crypto clearance. He travelled
around with the U-2. And he was a U.S. spy. He was sent to defect
falsely to the Soviet Union.
He [Oswald] got out of the Marines (you try this) because a box
fell on his mother's nose nine months before. And the letter
documenting her nasopharyngitis (which means it was swollen)
condition arrived 4 days after the discharge. But the number from
the discharge sheet appeared a month before, on his passport out
of the country, you see. So he was set to go.
And he was sent by the military, because there were no civilian
flights when he went from Helsinki into the area. Nothing but a
military flight could have explained his passage.
Also, when he was ready to come home, he'd met Marina four times
in his life, and he married her the fourth time he met her. And
then he took her out of the country. But of course they could get
her to lie. Because she still didn't have her citizenship in `63,
they could have sent her right back. And so what they had her do
was say that she didn't speak English, and she spoke Russian. And
they brought in George Bouhe and Raigorodsky and these other CIA
translators. And in case the translator didn't translate the
Russian just right, all the people stenotyping at that point,
taking minutes, were on maternity leave from the CIA.
And then, of course, all the lawyers asking the questions were
chosen in a meeting, the minutes of which are still buried in the
National Archives as `National Security' matter until 2039. But
I'm sure they weren't chosen just because they were under A's or
B's in the phone book.
It's like when James McCord, a 21 year top man, operative with the
CIA, gets caught at Watergate because he puts a second piece of
tape on the door (that's what he calls his book, A Second Piece of
Tape). Well, you know, if you go down and find that somebody's
removed the tape, you've got to cheese the operation and get out
of the building. He puts another piece of tape on, and when Wills
comes around on the second round, he has to report it. So McCord's
in there to make sure they get arrested. His guy Baldwin, across
the street, doesn't warn anybody. But when McCord needs a lawyer
for Watergate, he goes out and he gets this guy Bernard
Fensterwald, who heads up something called the Committee to
Investigate Assassinations. Which he uses the mnemonic, the CTIA.
I wrote him a letter and said, `You know, in mnemonics, pronouns
don't get a letter. It's really CIA, isn't it Bud?'
And then it comes out in the Watergate hearing that McCord was
donating money to the CTIA. You know, he's a `conspiracy nut' too,
I guess. Or else maybe the CIA was paying Fensterwald to find out
what everybody knows. Sherman Skolnick challenged him, in 1972, at
a meeting. He said, `You know, when a CIA guy gets sick, he goes
to a CIA doctor. When he needs money, he goes to the CIA bank.
When he needs a lawyer, he goes to Edward Bennett Williams,
doesn't he?'
After that, Fensterwald was the lawyer for Paisley's wife, the guy
who drowned in the drink, in the Potomac, and was part of the
Nysenko briefing; a CIA agent. Although they say he committed
suicide, he put diving weights on (if this is true), shot himself
in the head, threw the gun overboard, and then leapt to his death.
Skolnick says he drowned, 'cause all the water rushed in the hole
in his head.
I was looking for an article this morning, about a suicide that
was actually reported in the press from Baltimore: Where a guy
committed suicide, get this, by hitting himself 38 times in the
head with a hammer. And the police were there, demonstrating to
the press how he might have done it. Thirty-eight times, what a
headache. My best one came over the news about a year ago. They
said the police had determined suicide in a case where the body
parts were wrapped in a bag. And the bag was tied from the
outside. I mean, Houdini's got nothing on this guy. So when you
look at the pathology, which is what I do, and the nuts and bolts;
the bullets, and what direction do they go, and where do they come
from, and who shot them - just the police work - that's all you
have to do. That's all you have to get. I mean, they hide it from
you a little bit, but you can piece it together. Then you know,
that it didn't happen the way they told you.
I mean, when you go into the evidence of the John F Kennedy
assassination, you'll find that Oswald didn't own a rifle; he
didn't own a pistol. He didn't fire a gun that day. There were no
nitrate samples on the cheeks or on his palms. He didn't shoot a
gun. He didn't kill anybody.
Then you go to the witness testimony and the photographic
evidence. And you find out he wasn't on the sixth floor and
couldn't have gotten down the stairwell to the first or second
floor to be buying a coke, when the cop stuck a gun in his stomach
in the first round of interchange a few minutes after the
shooting. Seven people saw him watching the motorcade go by, on
the first floor, as Kennedy was being shot. And we have a photo,
James Altgen's photo, of him standing in the doorway. Of course,
the Warren Commission said it was somebody else. But all you have
to do is compare that guy's description of his shirt to the shirt
that Oswald has on there, and the one he's got on when he's
arrested. It's Oswald. You can tell. I'm not a photo expert, but
you can see his face, hairline, and everything else is the same.
He was what he said he was: a patsy.
And then, even if you say he's up there, and shooting with this
Mannlicher-Carcano, the bullets can't do the damage. And it's the
same thing every time I look at it.
The Robert Kennedy case is the same. I noticed that they even use
the same language when they testify. There's this phrase they use.
They say, `The bullet is consistent with having been fired from
the weapon.' Now that's not a ballistic term. You know, ballistics
can tell you pretty much, as long as they've got the bullet
relatively intact, whether it came from that specific gun. Because
of the scratches on it, the rifling, and what type of bullet it
is. All that `consistent with having been fired from the weapon'
means is that the bullet is not too big to get through the barrel.
The caliber is either equal to, or smaller than, the gun caliber
of the barrel. It won't get stuck.
And the way I finally realized that that didn't mean anything was
in an affidavit in the Sacco and Vanzetti trial. Where the sheriff
testified `Yes' when they asked him was the bullet in the guard at
Braintree consistent with Sacco's gun. And he said that it was.
And then he filed an affidavit later, saying that he didn't want
to be misunderstood; that he was instructed by the judge to answer
just `yes' or `no' and that all he meant was that the bullet would
get through the barrel. But that same phrase is in the Robert
Kennedy trial transcript, it's in the Warren Commission ballistic
evidence.
Just to take one more example: When Reinhard Gehlen came here,
many of his 300 operatives were funnelled through a section of the
Defense Department known as the Army Historical Division. Because
they, especially George Patton, were busy hiring Nazis to help
them write the official history of World War II. So both Nazi war
criminals and Nazi historians were channeled in through this, and
then fed into the beginnings of the CIA, which was formed by
Gehlen and his organization. And into Radio Free America and Radio
Free Europe. The engines of the National Security State and the
Cold War logic were a lie.
When the Warren Commission investigators had finished their work
and they went to write the Report, they didn't take any of the
attorneys or any of the people that they had, essentially, already
bought off to do a phoney investigation. They wanted to make sure
there was nothing in that Report that would go wrong. And when I
went into the Archives, about 300 cubic feet of the minutes from
the meetings were notes, voluminous notes, from those 5 different
staff investigative teams to the Warren Commission, in relation to
the final report which they had read. And the notes say, `What's
the basis for this conclusion? What's the evidence for this?' Line
after line. Even the liars couldn't go as far as the author of the
Warren Commission Report had gone. But the report went out intact.
Hale Boggs asked in one of the meetings whether they should print
any of the evidence. `I guess you know,' Boggs said, `It might
look a little fishy if we didn't.' `Go ahead and print it,' Dulles
said. `Nobody will read it anyway.' And Boggs said, `A few of
those people out there know how to read.' I doubt he meant me, but
here I am.
And when you do read it, you can find it out. But the person that
actually wrote the report is a fellow named Otto Winnacker. He was
on TDY, transfer from the Pentagon to the Warren Commission, to do
that job. He was also, historically, one of 26 official historians
of the Reich who worked directly under the Reichschancellor,
Adolph Hitler, and was brought here into the United States.
When Gehlen finished setting up the CIA here, he went back to
Germany and helped set up the postwar German, NATO, and French
Intelligence structures that rule the reactionary politics in
those countries and in Europe today, and that command our constant
military presence there. Forty years after the war's supposed to
be over.
He was replaced in large part, at that point, by Otto von
Bolshwing. Otto Albrecht von Bolshwing, who had been Adolph
Eichmann's superior at the Hebrew desk for the movement of the
Jews and the Final Solution and the killing and the planning. But
he was never tried in Nazi Germany. He was just allowed to slip
through the cracks, like many of them, and ended up here, in the
United States. He helped form a corporation called TCI, with Edwin
Wilson, Helena von Damm, and with other people connected to the
intelligence agencies, as one of many front companies out here in
California. When it went bankrupt, it sold its largest subsidiary
to Albert Hakim and Richard Secord. And that subsidiary became
Stanford Technology Trading Group, and Trading Group
International. These were their fronts, during that time.
And the financing, if you remember, of [Oliver] North's operation,
was through Credit Suisse. Well Credit Suisse was set up as a
bank, in the 1940s, as the funnel and conduit for Permindex. It
was the banking firm to take care of Permindex's international
operations.
And just recently, when I was reading Tennessee Waltz by James
Earl Ray, where he names the person in Canada that introduced him
to the mysterious character Raoul, who set him up as the patsy. He
says that that's a person named David Gravier. Well David Gravier
is an international financier, connected to American Banking and
Trust, which itself is a major subsidiary of guess who? Credit
Suisse. Where did he [Ray] meet him [Raoul]? In Canada, where
Permindex was located. See, so you'll find the connections going
back to certain firms, certain cover.
The current world cover for the training of these assassins, I
believe, is an evangelical right-wing organization known as World
Vision. Among its employees at the Fort Chaffee Refugee Camp it
was running for Laotian, Thai, and Vietnamese refugees was a young
man named Mark David Chapman - responsible for the death of a very
political musician who could have brought a million people out in
response to Reagan's war efforts in a single day, named John
Lennon.
Mark David Chapman had military training. He was in Beirut,
interestingly enough, when military training was going on there by
Wilson and Terpil. And he moved to Hawaii, worked for the large
military firms. You'll remember he took a military stance at the
time. The chairman of the board in those days of World Vision was
none other than John Hinckley, Sr. The funding for World Vision
was, primarily, during the Vietnam period, CIA directly funding
it. They now still admit 5% coming through USAID, which was the
cover. And they operated in all of Southeast Asia, collecting
information on Laotians, Cambodians and others under the cover of
this missionary work. They were in charge of the refugee camps at
Sabra and Shatilla when the Fascist Phalange came in and killed
the Palestinians.
They are in charge of the refugee camps, along the Honduran
border, for the Central Americans, where the Contras are allowed
to go in and actively recruit. They run the physical operation in
the camps for the Cuban and Haitian refugees here in the United
States. And it was at those camps, you remember, there were riots.
Well part of what started that riots was that they brought into
those camps a political education program that if you didn't
attend, you didn't eat. And the people that ran that program for
the Cubans were none other than Alpha-66 and Omega-7, the Cuban
reactionaries left over from the Bay of Pigs invasion.
These international refugee communities they started in the `50s
(I went back to their earliest populations) were really just
attempts to manipulate people that were in Communist countries who
were reactionary and were running from the situations or the
changes in those countries. Refugee populations are expendable;
they're manipulable. Part of the history of Jonestown is the
history of refugees, `cause a lot of the reason they went to
Matthew's Ridge is that they wanted cheap labor there.
But I found the same names cropping up, the same modus operandi,
the same monies, (and I've only named a few of them), throughout
not only the major assassinations (the Kennedys, Martin Luther
King, the Chappaquidik incident, where Ted Kennedy was set up and
Mary Jo [Kopechne] was killed, the murder of Jessica Savitch, a
number of these situations I've worked on), but also many of the
witnesses that died (75 strange witness deaths in John Kennedy
case, 80 each, or around that, each, in both Martin Luther King
and the Robert Kennedy, another 35-40 strange deaths connected
with Watergate, the Second House Select Committee on
Assassinations). And a lot of the people that we knew were
involved in the original research started to drop dead. There's
people dropping dead now, during the Contragate investigation.
It's a constant pattern: the witnesses are wiped out.
And when you go into the specifics: who did they know, or where
they were, who was around them, or who helped set them up, you
will find, I believe, (if you do the work, and I encourage you to
do it on the things that you're interested in) people that have
connections to Navy Intelligence. That's the central place where
these people operated from, on the command level. You'll find
people otherwise involved in the US Intelligence agencies. And
you'll find people either with direct ties to Nazi Germany or with
connections to current Fascist International networks that grew
out of that period.
But those Nazis came here. They formed our foreign policy. There's
a couple of new books out. If you haven't had a chance to see
them, you should get them. This is by Bower, from a British
publisher. It's called The Paperclip Conspiracy, and it's about
the hunt for the Nazi scientists. There's an earlier book by
Clarance Lasby, Project Paperclip that's very good, but these are
recent ones, with some new information.
And this very good book by Chris Simpson. All these still miss
pieces, or perspective, but this is called Blowback, which is an
Intelligence term for negative effects from a covert operation;
America's recruitment of Nazis and its effects on the Cold War.
All these things are available. It's not impossible to get this
information. I think you need to focus a little bit.
What I'm suggesting is that there's this history of the Fascism
moving; that assassination has been its long-term technique for
certain political purposes; and that it's time you took a look
around you. Because they are killing us. They're not killing all
of us. But they're killing people not just at the top government
levels, but all the way down to the activists and the people who
are going to try to make a difference.
Which is not to me, again, an argument not to try to make a
difference. Because they can't kill us all. Or if we don't do
anything, they will kill us all. So you see, it's one or the
other. But to me, there's really no choice.
If you stumble across Auschwitz in the 1940s, you're either going
to go home, and be a `good German' and use the soap, or you're
going to speak up. You see, you're going to speak up and you're
going to have the horrible fate that Walter Rudolph didn't want.
You're going to become one of the excess population; one of the
untermenschen, one of the expendables.
But I'd suggest that, given the reality of the economy, that most
of you here in the audience are that already. My obeisance to the
FBI and CIA agents here; you probably have a good paycheck still.
But I would think that most of you are not in such a secure
position. And this economy is not so long for the world, in terms
of taking care of everybody. If you haven't looked around you on
the street lately, there's a depression out there, and that's what
a depression looks like.
It's interesting too that a lot of those homeless people are
Vietnam veterans. About 70% of the homeless on the East coast, in
fact, are veterans. Which is an aspect that's been ignored,
besides the suicides, tremendous unemployment rates and long-term
problems, because these wars are genocidal wars. They have a
little different technology, they drop the oven out of the air
instead of picking the body up and putting it in the oven, but
it's still genocide.
If the little countries of the world, where we are pushing
ourselves around, could get into a court and tell what we've been
doing there, it would not look so different from the Nuremberg
trials; in fact, I suggest to you that it's worse.
My friends say to me, `If it's Nazi Germany, who are the Jews?'
Well the Jews are the Central Americans. Some of the Jews are
still the Jews if they don't have enough money and prestige and
aren't being used for the current time in the reactionary
processes. Women. The disenfranchised. The first people that Lori
[a previous speaker] mentioned that were killed: the psychiatric
inmates are certainly an expendable population. The
institutionalized people: the elderly, children in institutions,
prisoners, and people in the military. The veterans are guinea
pigs; after they get out of all that military stuff they're just
used by the system further.
So there are people dying every day. And if you don't add up the
deaths, you don't get the right total, you don't get the sense of
what's happening.
And then they say to me, `Yeah, but we don't live in terror. We
live good.' Well if you were a good German and you went along with
the program and you looked the other way when they came and got
the neighbors, you lived good too. They were looting the whole
world like we are. We're 6 percent of the population, consuming 60
percent of its energy, 30 percent of its raw materials coming
right here, into this society. All this wealth doesn't come from
out of some magic well in Kansas marked `Capitalism.' It comes
from tentacles of exploitation of labor and resources all over the
world. And because we exploit those societies, they're in worse
shape and we're in better shape.
There's enough to go around. There's no shortage. There's surplus,
in fact, if it weren't being used for war; and weren't being
diverted into cash crops instead of growing food, everyone could
eat, everyone could live comfortably. In fact, probably on a third
of the budget they spend on warfare in the world. There is a
surplus; the surplus has to be manipulated in order to disappear.
But there are populations, Rand Corporation studied them. In `68
they did a study saying that half of the world population, over
two billion people, had to go, in order to make it economically
comfortable for the elites. They studied setting up martial law in
many countries where it came to pass: the Philippines, Yemen and
South Korea, Vietnam, Canada even, and eventually the United
States.
How do you set up martial law here? You do it with a terrorist
scenario. I'd suggest a nuclear terrorist scenario. You have Abu
Nidal, who's really Oliver North in drag. They say I'm paranoid. I
don't have an eight foot security fence around my house. And he's
working internationally with the people that financed Nidal. It's
not mano a mano, it's have him over for dinner. That fence is up
for us, in case we figure out who Ollie North really is and what
he did to us.
You have this so-called `terrorist,' you know, the guy with the
pop gun that terrorizes you. The nuclear weapons don't terrorize
you, the state control doesn't terrorize you, the massive death
and genocide that goes on in your name doesn't terrorize you. You
don't know who the enemy is, and so you're afraid of a guy on an
airplane with a pistol. But that's a terrorist, and you're shaking
in your boots, and now they are going to be said to have a nuclear
weapon. So, `Oh well, what can we do? We have to suspend civil
liberties. We have to put people in camps. We have to do whatever
is necessary in order to stop this "threat".'
So you come up with a scenario that's good enough, and then you
move. And they have the plans, they know how to move, they have it
down to the neighborhood level. If you buy the lie; if you don't
identify who's oppressing whom and who the enemy really is.
Believe me, you are not in danger of Abu Nidal, or the PLO, or
whoever the Terrorist of the Month is supposed to be. Your life is
not hanging on a hinge. Yeah, maybe if you travel internationally
all the time you'll be on the wrong plane at the wrong moment. But
I doubt most of you are jet setters.
The threat comes from someplace else. And even the people who take
over the plane, in my experience, have ties to these same military
intelligence networks. But they kill people. And at the same time
it is possible to expose how they do it; and to break the cycle of
the lies; and to catch up with it; and to understand who's
assassinating whom, and how. Because the techniques work and they
use them over. They're not that hard to figure out, once you
understand the personnel and the pattern.
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