reprinted with permission from        [Dr. Vladimir Chernousenko]
     Poison Fire, Sacred Earth,
     TESTIMONIES, LECTURES, CONCLUSIONS,
     THE WORLD URANIUM HEARING, SALZBURG 1992
     pages 21-24

                       "It is not a normal situation
                     when the people who are in charge
                    of the fate of a whole civilization
                   lie quite openly to the whole world."

        What dimensions did this catastrophe take on? . . . Well,
     firstly, according to our calculations, more than 35 million
     people on the territory of our -- of my -- country received this
     or another dosage of radiation. By "this or another dosage" I
     mean, well, for example, more than 15 million people got an
     over-dose from hundreds til some 3,500 to 4,000 times on their
     thyroid glands. It is clear that this will not go away without
     consequences for the children's health who received this dosage.
     As a result of the fallout from the fourth block that we succeeded
     in closing sometime around the 15th to 20th May, not 3.5 percent
     radionuclides, but, according to our estimates, 65 to 80 percent
     of the whole content of the reactor had been thrown out from the
     destroyed block. Imagine -- 192 tons of uranium, imagine that at
     the moment of the catastrophe the reactor produced 520 different
     dangerous radionuclides, among them also radioactive iodine which
     effects the thyroid glands of the children in the most dangerous
     way -- and you get an idea of the scale of damage especially to
     the territory of our country. . . .
        . . . The thing is that we faced an astonishing
     interrelationship which, at first glance, cannot be understood by
     the human being's brain. Well, for example: You all know that
     there is an International Agency of Atomic Energy in Vienna which
     is headed by [Hans] Blix. But how astonishing that this
     international agency could speak the same language as our former
     communist government! We were simply astonished by that! We met
     Blix when he came to us, to Chernobyl, and Blix saw very well
     that, at that moment, the fourth block really was throwing out
     millions of Curies of activity. I related that according to our
     figures -- and we, thank God, observed it when we were in the air
     over the fourth block many times during a period of three to four
     months -- we saw that it was absolutely empty, and we estimated
     that such a quantity of the radionuclides had been thrown out.
     According to our estimates that was not 50 million Curies, but
     approximately 6.3 billion Curies of activity. And then, at that
     moment, Hans Blix saw that the radionuclides were being thrown out
     from the block and were being spread over the whole territory of
     the earth and, at the same time, he made calming statements: "Just
     be quiet, everything is all right, everything is under control,
     there is no cause to worry." This put us on our guard.
        After that, such an extreme lie already followed when our
     government, under pressure from its own atomic mafia, . . .
     [recording interrupted]. They were all created for the production
     of plutonium. So this Minsredmash, as we say, the Ministry of the
     Medium Machine Building prepared a completely falsified protocol
     about the catastrophe that had happened; it claimed that only
     unpredictable situations had led to such a catastrophe. . . .
        And what astonished us after that -- the IAEO was only too keen
     to believe every word and began to convince the whole world: "Yes,
     do not worry, the rest of the 15 blocks will not explode. No
     problems." It is not a normal situation when the people who are in
     charge of the fate of a whole civilization lie quite openly to the
     whole world. So, after the situation connected with the IAEO --
     and IAEO, these are specialists, they could easily uncover
     falsification, the wrong conception; so we lost all respect for
     them. And from that moment on -- it was approximately one year
     after the catastrophe of Chernobyl --, we began to call the whole
     organization a good united international atomic mafia which we all
     have to fight, of course, because they can very quickly and easily
     murder us.

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     Vladimir Chernousenko

     Vladimir Chernousenko, CIS. Physicist, scientific co-ordinator of
     the clean-up in Chernobyl.
     (This speech was held originally in Russian)

     Good morning, Ladies and Gentlemen! Good morning, Friends! It
     gives me great pleasure to meet so many people here in this big
     beautiful hall who share the concern of those of us in my home
     country, who are worried about the problems of the continuously
     worsening global ecological situation. I would like to divide my
     short speech into two or three parts.

        I would like to give you a short account of our sad, I would go
     so far as to say, tragic experience in dealing with one of the
     most terrible catastrophes that has ever afflicted us. I mean, of
     course, the year 1986, Chernobyl. Later on, I would like to say a
     few words about existing problems and the dangers connected with
     the further development of such dangerous products, in particular,
     atomic power stations, atomic blocks, and then, perhaps, I will
     speak about the problems and tasks which, in my opinion, we,
     together, using our combined strength, have to solve in the near
     future.

        And so, my memories return to those tragic months of work in
     Chernobyl -- what I want to say most of all about those rather
     demanding months of work in such dangerous zones where my friends
     were also employed. Well, first of all, having found ourselves in
     this special zone, the ten-kilometer-zone around the destroyed
     reactor, we were soon convinced that the atomic lobby -- the
     atomic mafia, as I began to call it later on, having developed
     such a dangerous product -- had not thought at all about our
     future, had not at all developed a plan in the event of such an
     unpredictable catastrophe. Unfortunately, I did not bring along a
     map of the radiation situation, maybe next time during this
     congress I will succeed in showing it. Then all people present
     here would clearly understand the kind of conditions under which
     my friends had to work in Chernobyl.

        We were approaching those zones of the fields with the
     extra-high radiation very slowly. If, in May, we had begun with
     fields of somewhere around 10, 100 or sometimes 200 Roentgen per
     hour, then in August, we went out in the zones with fields of
     12,000 to 15,000 Roentgen per hour. As you understand yourselves,
     it was just impossible to work in such fields, and even the
     machinery we had bought in the West for hard currency -- it just
     immediately went out of order in fields with such high radiation.
     And then, on the order of our government headed at that time by
     Gorbachev, the command was given to throw living people in these
     highly dangerous radiation fields. We tried somehow to make some
     sort of protection, we tried to design some clothing that would
     have protected at least the most important organs.

        Well, as you understand yourselves, it is practically
     impossible to do so in fields of such high radiation. Today, it is
     simply impossible to find protection against fields of 15,000
     Roentgen per hour in the form of a high-pressure suit so that a
     living human being could work in such fields, in such zones.

        Then, in August, a conference took place at the IAEO, and the
     world calmed down that the block had stopped throwing out
     radioactive nuclides onto the whole territory of the terrestrial
     globe, and at that time, we approached the extra-high fields only
     by the end of August, and from the beginning of September almost
     until the end of October this terribly dangerous work was carried
     out in this 10-kilometer-zone in absolute secrecy.

        It is possible to relate many tragic moments which highlighted
     the catastrophe. Well, the first and the most important thing
     which can be quoted here is, of course, the regime of secrecy
     which was accepted in our country from the very first second the
     catastrophe happened. People living in territories far away from
     Chernobyl found themselves in the radioactively contaminated zone
     -- they did not even know for some years in which regions they
     lived, why their children were ill, which doses of radiation they
     had been exposed to, and this was perhaps the most tragic moment
     and the period, I would say, of our fight for some clarity,
     openness, for at least some honest scientific data which might be
     useful to scientists, for the analysis in the future of all these
     consequences of contamination from radiation for -- I underline --
     millions of people.

        What dimensions did this catastrophe take on? Well, according
     to the estimates that we made during the period when the secret
     protocol about the liquidation of this catastrophe was being
     prepared for our government, we estimated -- or at least tried to
     estimate -- the dimensions involved. They just terrified us.

        Well, firstly, according to our calculations, more than 35
     million people on the territory of our -- of my -- country
     received this or another dosage of radiation. By "this or another
     dosage" I mean, well, for example, more than 15 million people got
     an over-dose from hundreds til some 3,500 to 4,000 times on their
     thyroid glands. It is clear that this will not go away without
     consequences for the children's health who received this dosage.
     As a result of the fallout from the fourth block that we succeeded
     in closing sometime around the 15th to 20th May, not 3.5 percent
     radionuclides, but, according to our estimates, 65 to 80 percent
     of the whole content of the reactor had been thrown out from the
     destroyed block. Imagine -- 192 tons of uranium, imagine that at
     the moment of the catastrophe the reactor produced 520 different
     dangerous radionuclides, among them also radioactive iodine which
     effects the thyroid glands of the children in the most dangerous
     way -- and you get an idea of the scale of damage especially to
     the territory of our country.

        As a result of the fallout from the fourth block the whole
     territory of the Ukraine is contaminated practically to a two
     thirds degree. According to our estimates, practically the whole
     territory of greatly affected White Russia is contaminated. If the
     preliminary maps of the radiation situation said that White Russia
     was contaminated only to about 30 or 40 percent, then the latest,
     more detailed estimates which we as well as White Russian
     scientists and physicists have carried out, show that practically
     the whole territory of White Russia is contaminated with different
     degrees of contamination -- from some tens of Curie to 300 to 500
     Curie per square-kilometer. And you get some idea, what it is like
     for people who have been forced to live under such conditions for
     six years now.

        At the same time, we faced another problem for the first time
     that it could appear as if the territory was contaminated with two
     to three to five Curies, but due to the fact that these are
     special kinds of grounds -- peaty molds, and the coefficients of
     the transition were rather high, then on territories with three to
     five Curies they began to get very "dirty" milk which was
     practically unusable. And it was thought earlier that there would
     have been created so-called "special zones of strict control", in
     which clean products, medicaments could have been delivered,
     systematical observations of the changing health of the people
     would have been carried out; then we later on recognized that as a
     result of the decay of our last great empire it appeared to be
     that there were not enough "clean" products. And this is why the
     people were left to their fate.

        It is clear that already in the near future, genetic changes in
     the health of children will follow, of those who live in these
     contaminated territories. And we have already analyses of blood
     carried out by independent doctors which testify that these
     changes have already begun to take place. And this is the most
     terrible consequence of such catastrophes. Besides that the
     Ukraine is contaminated, White Russia is contaminated, Russia is
     also contaminated. On these maps showing the radiation situation,
     which we carried out in the protocol -- regretfully they have not
     been published yet --, it is obvious that the traces of the
     radioactive cloud went from Chernobyl to the Ural, practically to
     Novosibirsk. You can imagine the scale of damage to our territory.

        Finally, the figures were mentioned that the sum of the damage
     due to the catastrophe that had happened was estimated to be 8.5
     billions of dollars to our country. I have to say that this is
     over 100 times too low a figure. According to our estimates, only
     the works necessary for carrying out the deactivation of the
     immense Kiev water storage lake from which 40 million people drink
     their water -- these works are estimated according to our scales
     in 150 to 200 billions of rubles. And that is only the estimation
     of the water storage lakes from which the people drink their
     water. But how can one estimate the deactivation of the huge
     territory which has practically not yet begun as it would have
     been proper? That is approximately how I would estimate the size
     of the loss as a result of this catastrophe. The thing is that we
     faced an astonishing interrelationship which, at first glance,
     cannot be understood by the human being's brain. Well, for
     example: You all know that there is an International Agency of
     Atomic Energy in Vienna which is headed by [Hans] Blix. But how
     astonishing that this international agency could speak the same
     language as our former communist government! We were simply
     astonished by that! We met Blix when he came to us, to Chernobyl,
     and Blix saw very well that, at that moment, the fourth block
     really was throwing out millions of Curies of activity. I related
     that according to our figures -- and we, thank God, observed it
     when we were in the air over the fourth block many times during a
     period of three to four months -- we saw that it was absolutely
     empty, and we estimated that such a quantity of the radionuclides
     had been thrown out. According to our estimates that was not 50
     million Curies, but approximately 6.3 billion Curies of activity.
     And then, at that moment, Hans Blix saw that the radionuclides
     were being thrown out from the block and were being spread over
     the whole territory of the earth and, at the same time, he made
     calming statements: "Just be quiet, everything is all right,
     everything is under control, there is no cause to worry." This put
     us on our guard.

        After that, such an extreme lie already followed when our
     government, under pressure from its own atomic mafia, . . .
     [recording interrupted]. They were all created for the production
     of plutonium. So this Minsredmash, as we say, the Ministry of the
     Medium Machine Building prepared a completely falsified protocol
     about the catastrophe that had happened; it claimed that only
     unpredictable situations had led to such a catastrophe. If there
     are any questions, I am ready to talk about the technical reasons
     for the catastrophe -- I just do not have the time necessary for
     that; I only want to say the essentials.

        Analyses had been carried out after that catastrophe; before,
     we had not had a possibility to do it, because all these projects
     had always been kept secret, there had been no approach for the
     independent scientists. It was just impossible to do it. We
     demanded it before Chernobyl, because we suspected that it was not
     good. But already after Chernobyl, having carried out the
     independent estimates, we showed that in every project of the
     blocks of the type RBMK [Large capacity reactor, "boiling"] and of
     other blocks, there were at least 32 mistakes in the project
     itself and, according to everyone of these mistakes, these blocks
     had to explode. And this reason should have been given to the
     IAEO. But no, our government called it a "completely unpredictable
     situation", in other words: Pure chance had led to this
     catastrophe.

        And what astonished us after that -- the IAEO was only too keen
     to believe every word and began to convince the whole world: "Yes,
     do not worry, the rest of the 15 blocks will not explode. No
     problems." It is not a normal situation when the people who are in
     charge of the fate of a whole civilization lie quite openly to the
     whole world. So, after the situation connected with the IAEO --
     and IAEO, these are specialists, they could easily uncover
     falsification, the wrong conception; so we lost all respect for
     them. And from that moment on -- it was approximately one year
     after the catastrophe of Chernobyl --, we began to call the whole
     organization a good united international atomic mafia which we all
     have to fight, of course, because they can very quickly and easily
     murder us.

        Now, if you give me a couple of minutes, I want to describe
     this tragic situation in which we live. Look: In the last few
     years, we have seen that climate changes, rivers disappear, oceans
     disappear, that the ecological situation is worsening. Yes, it is
     really like this, this is the tragedy of our time, but we have to
     understand the grave importance of the problems. And when talking
     about the most important things, it seems to me that the situation
     connected with the development of the atomic industry, the
     creation of new nuclear blocks must be placed first, because the
     experience which we got in Chernobyl tells us that all it takes is
     one or two reactors to explode and the whole of Europe will cease
     to exist.

        Well, here is the simplest first example. When we were
     beginning our work in Chernobyl, we estimated very quickly what
     would have happened to the world and to Europe if the other three
     RBMK blocks in Chernobyl had exploded. The estimate showed that
     the earth would have been burned from Chernobyl to the English
     Channel. Well, you can imagine the scale of an unpredictable,
     unexpected catastrophe which can happen at any moment if we,
     together with you, still do not put barriers in front of the
     international atomic mafia, for the further development of such
     sharp and dangerous products. This is the first.

        Finally, inside this industry itself, there are many completely
     inevitable contradictions. I am speaking about the final storage
     of the radiation waste and about the 1,000-year-long observations
     of them and about the impossibility of creating absolutely safe
     products -- any project of the block of the type RBMK. All this
     led us to the necessity -- I mean most of us nuclear physicists
     who in general before that, I have to say it to you honestly -- we
     just didn't have all the information about the existing dangerous
     situation in the projects of these blocks. And when we just
     carried out the analyses after Chernobyl, it really terrified us,
     and now we have to speak and to talk and to explain clearly,
     exactly, in simple language, to millions of people this degree of
     danger with which we live.

        And finally, I'll allow myself to say the last thing. What
     should one do in this situation? Here is our experience -- partly
     my meetings with people, my travelling around the world; it showed
     that people want to tackle this tragic situation, they want to do
     something, but they have neither the necessary knowledge nor the
     special training nor the complete information about the existing
     real tragic situation in the world.

        That is why it seems to me that the necessity to unify the
     efforts of the independent scientists all over the world is long
     overdue. It is necessary, in our opinion, in my opinion, it is
     necessary to establish an independent international institute of
     ecology in the shortest period of time, it is necessary to call in
     the best scientists, so that they can give an independent expert
     estimate, honest, tragic, but correct, so that they will not be
     rigged as the atomic mafia does it, maintaining that by developing
     atomic production we move our civilization ahead, but not saying
     that doing so, we push it to the brink of destruction. But it is
     necessary that honest, independent scientists give this
     information.

        Thank you for paying attention.