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PERSPECTIVES ON THE PANDEMIC 
EPISODE #28
What The Fusion Of Business And Government Means For The World | What Are Fusion Centers?

Perspectives on the Pandemic interviewed Ryan Cunningham, a former corporate Fusion Center liaison.

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now to another big story tonight after
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911 the Department of Homeland Security
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created a network of Regional Offices
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called fusion centers the idea was to
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incorporate local law enforcement into
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the effort to stop terrorism but some
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say it's just keeping track of
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law-abiding citizens each state has set
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up what's called a fusion Center or
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intelligence Center or Statewide
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terrorism task force the coined phrase
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by the Department of Homeland Security
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as a fusion Center 911 happened right
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and information was segmented or seen to
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be segmented across agencies and across
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Corporate America so fusion centers were
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created to be a central Clearing House
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for information across you know your
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federal agencies your local state law
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enforcement and then subsequently as
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years progressed inviting your private
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sector Partners into those fusion
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centers so my name is Ryan Cunningham um
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my professional career as an emergency
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service manager I've spent the majority
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of my career being an emergency manager
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in a corporate America which is a very
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unique skill set most people would go
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directly into the public sector I chose
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to take that skill set into Corporate
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America mainly business continuity
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Emergency Management how to help
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companies survive you know worst case
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scenario events overcome and mitigate
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obstacles and obviously help a company
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succeed through those worst case
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scenario events and also being a liaison
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you know with our public sector Partners
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in order to provide resources for them
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and ensure that we have the resources we
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need and they have the resources they
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need and building and fostering a lot of
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those relationships I worked in critical
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manufacturing it's a Fortune 100 company
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it's based all across the United States
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and because of that role that I that I
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had and and and the information I had
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I've since left that employer
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I can't specifically discuss the name of
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the
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employer they call it a fusion Center
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but opponents call it a threat to your
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privacy being embedded into this you
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develop these relationships and they
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have what's called business Emergency
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Operations portions of it so they have a
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business Emergency Operations Center and
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what they would do is they would invite
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their private sector Partners in their
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critical infrastructure sectors
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Representatives especially of your major
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Fortune 100 companies giving some
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private sector entities or Personnel up
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to secret level clearance of government
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record access the infer guard program
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provides a vehicle for public private
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collaboration with the US government to
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expedite the timely exchange of
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information most people in in Corporate
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America are going to be like you have a
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three-letter agency that comes knocking
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on you well you hey you want to make
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sure you're doing the right thing they
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come knocking say hey we want you to
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join you know infragard be a part of it
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we think it'd be a good membership you
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get in you go to these meetings the FBI
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starts sharing intelligence and
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resources and making you feel a part of
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the team infog guard has chapters across
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the United States with tens of thousands
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of members each dedicated to
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contributing industry specific insight
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and advancing National Security they're
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offering to bring you into the fold what
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the critical threats are right now you
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know what you could find that could be a
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threat to your company and how to
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mitigate it we'll give you resources on
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on how to overcome maybe cyber attacks
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or how to overcome um industrial
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Espionage and and they really lure you
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in that level of trust and mutual
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respect that brings you into the fold
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that brings you feel a part of something
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you feel special you know at the time
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it's almost you feel like I'm doing my
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patriotic duty to help this country
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right fundamentally at face value it
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looks like it's an asset to the
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community it looks like it's an asset to
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a response initiative and a response
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effort you you have your public and
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private sector Partners working together
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you are collaborating with resources
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you're ultimately moving forward for the
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good of the
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country here's the caveat to
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that if it's manipulated and used for
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bad where's the line drawn the company
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is acting as an agent which is an
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individual right and they can share as
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much information with freely with the
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federal government as they so choose I
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do know of specific companies that have
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invited them in to look at their servers
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to give them threats assessments or
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provide Intelligence on employees it'd
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be nothing to pick up the phone hey you
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know I may be looking into John Doe you
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know what do you guys know about him at
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from his employer right you're having
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these off- the record unofficial
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conversations in which they can gather
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intelligence that they would normally
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have to either maybe get a warrant or a
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spa for
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and this afternoon we're announcing new
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guidelines for every American to follow
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over the next 15 days as we combat the
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virus each and every one of us has a
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critical role to
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play When the announcement came in March
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of 2020 for the general public we'd
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actually received a few days notice
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prior that this was going to happen that
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you know they were going to do this two
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weeks to slow this spread essentially
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shut America down a lot of discussions
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were taking place on how to handle this
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and what the mitigation efforts and
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initiatives were going to be and it was
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a lot of back and forth and I think it's
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important for people to to
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realize that this decisionmaking process
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wasn't just
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done with the government or FEMA or DHS
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the policies that are developed were
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also developed in conjunction and
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coordination with their you know private
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sector Partners so all these edicts of
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social distancing of masking these are
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dialogues that are occurring with public
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sector partners with private entity
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relationships well what does that
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ultimately result in it results in you
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know people in in my position and other
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fortun 100 companies they're going to
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willingly Implement them within their
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own corporations their own entities when
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maybe there really wasn't the force of
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law or administrative agency behind it
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to actually have to do it I was very
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integral in helping develop the policies
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of what does social distancing look like
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how are we going to keep the people
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socially distanced what are these
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quarantine policy is going to look like
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how are we going to keep them away from
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each other whenever you know they get it
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and I was very involved in in those
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discussions and and processes you know
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shamefully as we know today but I did I
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was I I was 100% in support of it and I
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was a part of it up to an including yes
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these critical infrastructures should
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stay open and no these non-criticals
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shouldn't I bought the narrative I
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bought the propaganda machine that was
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being put out and implemented it and
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went full bore with it and and
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contributed to the discussion so the
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Department of Public Health lacks
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jurisdiction for enforcement action they
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knew that so they were very careful to
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make it feel like it was a law to make
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it feel like you there there was
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consequences to when you didn't do it
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when actually it was a ruse and and
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there was no actually enforcement arm
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and it was all done under the the
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premise
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of guidance or regulatory administrative
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agency code changes that frankly were
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not able to be enforced by the rule of
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law these unelected fourth what I call
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fourth branches of government DHS Aima
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idph things like that they would change
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their regulatory guidance right before
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it would get challenged in court they
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would change it again why because they
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never wanted an injunctive ruling
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against them either way so the court
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would call it Moot and now you have got
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compliance without rule of law without
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an actual edict that says you have to do
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this ultimately everyone starts doing
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the same thing that's why everything
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looked so Universal at that time right
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you know well before the public got to
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go out it was these essential sectors
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that were already back at work working
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the entire time that's where this this
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process of of how the general public is
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going to be held to account really is
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put in Play Because if you think about
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the two weeks this the slow the spread
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critical manufacturing critical
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infrastructure didn't stop going to work
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right so a lot of these things were
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implemented and tested within the
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corporate environment well before it was
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it was pushed out to the to the masses
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as new highly transmissible variants of
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the novel Corona virus continue to
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appear Health experts are recommending
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Americans wear two masks instead of just
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one this is a physical covering to
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prevent uh uh droplets and virus to get
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in so if you have a physical covering
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with one layer you put another layer on
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it just makes common sense as time
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started to go on I really started to
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have this internal struggle with myself
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and I'm like this is this is not right
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Ryan you know this isn't what we should
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be doing but I also knew the
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consequences of someone like myself
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speaking up and speaking out going
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against the grain it's you know that's
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that could be career ending that could
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be the consequences there just like it
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was for for many people um so I I had
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this real internal Battle of providing
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for my family and doing morally what I
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what what I felt was right the very
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first thing that when I started to have
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this cognitive dissonance with myself
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was I'm looking at this mask and I'm
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like this isn't doing anything this this
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isn't helping I have a medical
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practitioner's license pre Hospital why
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am I still doing this and what I find
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funny and not to Circle back but we
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actually put out the recommendation
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initially even at the guidance of the
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fusion centers masks are uneffective
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they they shouldn't be used they're
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they're they're
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yeah they're they're not effective and
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that was some of the initial guidance
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but guess what it changed the narrative
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changed it pushed from DHS down into the
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fusion centers now masking is required
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and anytime I brought up to talk about
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you know this might not be appropriate
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anymore I was immediately struck back
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with no this is what we have to do and I
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I found no allies early on of that
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belief so I I continue to just push
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forward cuz you know you're a one Man
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Band and and to have that cognitive
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dissonance it's it's difficult to go
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against the grain that early
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on the vaccine will be rolled out in
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four phases phase one First Responders
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healthcare workers police officers and
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EMTs so as most people know the
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vaccination was a staged roll out the
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initial people that were allowed to get
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the vaccination where emergency
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responders critical infrastructure
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people things like that so I got the
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vaccination very early on I was like
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okay if this is what we have to
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do for everyone to get back to normal is
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it's the vacination and that was the
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narrative being pushed from within these
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organizations after I got the second
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dose I went immediately
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downhill I got immediately sick and two
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days later while at work I just
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collapsed into a tartic incident had to
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be transported to the hospital I was
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actually standing in what was my
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supervisor's office at the time
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collapsed on a couch I felt the walls
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closing in on me and I actually was
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saying my last prayers I thought I was I
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thought I was done no one wanted to talk
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about it everyone's like oh you know
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it's it's okay it's got to be something
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else and I'm like this is not okay
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someone doesn't have their heart rate
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randomly jump up to 180 beats per minute
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while sitting still I mean I've got the
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data on my Apple watch Health app where
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you see the spikes of my heart rate
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randomly from a seditary state sitting
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at a resting heart rate from 60 to 80
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beats a minute up to 180 beats a minute
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that is not that's not common and this
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continue to increase over time you trust
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us you trust us you trust us with your
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life you trust us with those you love so
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trust us when we say get vaccinated
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against covid-19 I was expected to
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participate in initi iives to push the
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vaccination with their upper upper eant
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up to including commercial Productions
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and and videos and and hosting vaccine
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clinics on site and getting access to
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the vaccine you know early on for
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critical infrastructure and it just
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knowing what I went through it it just
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tore at me and I'm like why I I can't do
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this I I cannot in good faith continue
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to go down this road that led me to
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ultimately make a change and I'm like I
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can't stand for this anymore I can't be
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a part of this network of infrastructure
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anymore I can't be associated with you
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know these initiatives through DHS or
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fusion centers or even my role as an
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emergency manager and and ultimately
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it's what caused me to leave my position
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in a Fortune 100 company you know a
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lucrative position and walk away from it
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all to to help others you know to stop
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this from happening to other people
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millions of Americans are facing
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deadlines as vaccine mandates take
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effect as of today about 67% of adults
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in this country are fully vaccinated a
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mandate is not a law and people started
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using the word mandate synonymous with
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an enforcable regulation and it's
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absolutely not but the narrative was
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positioned so
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strongly that most people acquiesced and
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completely disregarded
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the fact that they didn't have to do it
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and even to this day you'll have people
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well we were mandated to do it the words
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sounds so strong and it sounds so deep
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that you feel that as though it's
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equivalent to the rule of law but it's
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absolutely not the
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same in creating OSHA Congress affirmed
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the right of every working man and woman
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to safe and healthful working conditions
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would you sell me your legs for
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$10,000 you know it's comes down to that
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which is more important money or your
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your
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health so what most people don't
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understand is when the vaccination first
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came out OSHA put out a non-binding
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regulation that said if you force this
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vaccination on your employees you as the
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employer are 100% responsible for any
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Adverse Events in their health care
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subsequent to there from if the employer
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mandates
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it then we had the change of
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Administrations and the Mandate now
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became an administrative
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regulation and that regulation said if
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you had more than 100
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employees or you had federal government
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contracts that you were responsible for
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having your employees vaccinated as a
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OSHA regulation President Biden's now
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pressuring private companies to
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directing the labor department to
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require businesses with 100 or more
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employees ensure their workers are fully
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vaccinated or provide a negative test
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each week a move the White House
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estimates will impact 80 million
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Americans companies that do not comply
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could face fines the White House
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anticipating lawsuits we're going to
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protect vaccinated workers from
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unvaccinated co-workers and they put
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that regulation so far out the date of
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compliance but they made the narrative
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that you got to get it done now there
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was a forward-looking date when the
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Mandate went into effect they started
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pushing this narrative that we're going
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to give you $10,000 fines a day per
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employee knowing full well that this reg
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was going to be struck down they got
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Mass compliance real fast by employers
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putting these mandates in place the
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Mandate forced employees to either get
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vaccinated or submit to weekly testing
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in order to collect a paycheck it
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impacted more than 80 million Americans
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who work at businesses that employ more
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than 100 people they
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knew that this regulation on its face
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would be struck down there there's not a
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set of facts or circumstances that they
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knew that would support this
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initiative
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employees knew our livelihoods are at
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stake right I've got these corporate
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entities telling me I have to do this if
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I don't do this I'm going to lose my job
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lose my employment and these
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corporations through these private
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Partnerships with the fusion centers had
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on-site vaccination clinics they made
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made it so easy and so quick for these
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employees to get it done most of them
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acques because they felt they had no
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other choice uh Jonathan if you're with
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us Professor can you weigh in on what
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we've just gotten from the court halting
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the covid-19 vaccine rule for us
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businesses for now what does all this
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mean it's really the OSHA K it was that
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mandate that President Biden's Chief of
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Staff Ron Clan uh celebrated as a quote
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worker out Supreme Court Justices
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continually ask for the authority that
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was being used here and they referenced
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Ron cla's statement as I've said before
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the the justices are not in the
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workaround you know because it's a
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workaround constitutional
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Authority Illinois Governor JB priter
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made a big move announcing a new
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Statewide Mass mandate for all Illinois
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public and private schools even daycare
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centers are
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included when I left my position in
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Corporate
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America ultimately I was doing advocacy
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work I found one literally one attorney
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that was brave enough in the state of
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Illinois to go against the government
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and to tell them that their
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administrative actions didn't have the
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force and the rule of law Tom D'Or is
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representing several people in Illinois
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asking courts whether their county is
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dealing with a public health emergency
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if there's no disaster in Clay County I
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can assure you I'm going to have a
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client that's going to go to the Clay
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County school districts and say let my
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kids in that school you can't keep us in
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remote learning because it's not allowed
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there's no disaster that's going to be
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the same across all of these counties I
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was initially a little aggressive to him
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like Hey I think we can do something
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about this I I'm seeing what you're
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doing here and I think we can you know
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partner in order to ensure kids return
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to school without these mitigation me
20:06
measures Ure kids return and teachers
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return to school without being forced to
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get vaccinated and have their their
20:13
livelihoods
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terminated so you know through those
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advocacy
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initiatives we reached out and and and
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and the mama bears came out and
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droves and you know we all talk about it
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but kids suffered and you know hell half
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no fury than a scorn Mama Bear and they
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fought like heck to ensure that their
20:37
kids were protected so we got them
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together we you know had about 7,000 of
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them that came together and ultimately
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we filed an injunction that hey if you
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want to do this you got to get a court
20:50
order from a judge what we used against
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them is the public health act that
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specifically States in order for the
20:56
government to do this they must get an
20:58
individual order of quarantine to
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vaccinate or mask anyone because it's a
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form of modified quarantine so if they
21:04
wanted to exercise that Force they would
21:06
need to take each person before a
21:08
magistrate and the magistrate would have
21:10
to order that because that's what the
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law said this acquiescing that everyone
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has to do it because an administrative
21:16
agency has says so isn't true and in
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fact that law is on almost every single
21:21
State's books and they would have had to
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go through that effort for all 7,000
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people individually and the burden of
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proof to to make someone do that is
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Extreme the teachers union sent their
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head attorney to try to intervene in the
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case so during the course of this trial
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it's very interesting the Chicago
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Teachers un which is the largest school
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district in Illinois and one of the
21:45
largest in the
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nation was trying to create so much
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political pressure around it that they
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staged a walk out the day of the trial
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and left these kids stranded to put that
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much pressure on the court
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ultimately we prevailed and what the
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judge said specifically will always
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resonate with me is this is the evil the
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law was designed to
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constrain meaning the government taking
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actions on a mandate that they have no
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lawful authority to
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do this is the evil the law was designed
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to
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constrain while we were in the courtroom
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people followed myself and and Tom on
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social media and every day we'd get on
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there and do live streams and encourage
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people to stand up and to speak out and
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we get hundreds some sometimes and
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thousands of people that would tune in
22:38
live and they would turn into hundreds
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of thousands of views we had hundreds of
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thousands of views of day one of the
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hearing day two I
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pre-scheduled the live stream where
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everyone knew it was going to happen no
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sooner do I get ready to go live cuz
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there was a countdown I'm immediately
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locked out of not one every single one
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of my social media accounts every single
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social media account I was locked out of
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and we could not get it out what is The
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Coincidence of literally moments minutes
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before this is about to go live I'm
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locked out of every single one of my
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social media accounts and they're saying
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it's a suspected um fraud you have these
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private public partner relationships in
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Corporate America that also include
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your social media aspects right it has
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been almost one year since the first
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bombshell Twitter files I think the most
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alarming thing that we we saw was the
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regular stream uh organized stream of
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communication between uh the FBI uh the
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Department of Homeland Security and the
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largest tech companies in the country uh
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they had an organized system for
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flagging content uh not occasionally but
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in enormous numbers
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uh involving spreadsheets of accounts
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that ran to the hundreds and thousands
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The entire purpose of the Twitter files
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was a behind-the-scenes look of how
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Twitter employees and
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Executives were directly coordinating
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with these non-governmental
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organizations these fusion centers the
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FBI um DHS intelligence agencies in
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Sharing
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voluntarily information about social
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media users with them with the
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government the government would provide
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some feedback and
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resources and then they may or may not
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censor people more often than not they
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did especially as it related to
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co when did we get to a point that
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science
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became not allowing competing opinions
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and theories to be tested and objected
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that's not science anymore it's
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propaganda from one
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Direction so when the news story came
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out right it definitely had a spin they
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were quick to point out it only applies
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to the name plaintiffs so in some
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schools where you may have only had
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three or four plaintiffs you'd have the
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rest of the school and a mask and you'd
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have them forced to get in a vaccination
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because it's a temporary straining order
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700 plus other school districts that
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weren't a part of the litigation said
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we're not doing this anymore either the
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ruling came came out on a Friday and we
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sat and watched online from Friday
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through Sunday all these emergency board
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meetings in which boards changed their
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policies their rules and
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defied the governor's executive orders
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and his mandates after those news
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articles are immediately released and
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you have school districts by the
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hundreds saying yeah we're not just
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going to make our two do this we're
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doing it for the entire school you have
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school districts that weren't even
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involved saying we're making it apply to
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our entire school and you have this
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flip of what the the Nar media narrative
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is saying versus what is actually
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happening transpire and they did not
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want to cover that
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story this pandemic was one of the
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largest wealth and power
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transfers that we had ever seen
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Corporate America received significant
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wealth transfer to them major
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Pharmaceuticals we seen government
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amass large amounts of power over its
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citizenry who is left hurting still
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think about that
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critically where are we started and
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where we are
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today where is the average American
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citizen left
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standing they're left with less wealth
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less money forced into compliance or
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else
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and you have Corporate America that has
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grown in massive wealth specifically big
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Pharma massive profits so after every
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major incident in in the fusion Center
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mergency management world you sum it up
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and even in the military they do this is
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something called an after action review
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so I would challenge you know the
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general public to perform their own self
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assessment their own after action review
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and look at how it affected you
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personally your family how you know the
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narrative has changed in civil liberties
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were violated and you should never
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violate the
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constitution in the name of safety so
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anytime someone says we're doing this to
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keep you safe that should be a warning
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in a flag for you to think critically
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and to
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understand that there may be some
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unintended or intended
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result or Consequences that the
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government is trying to get out of this
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