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PERSPECTIVES ON THE PANDEMIC
EPISODE #11
JUDY MIKOVITS & ROBERT KENNEDY JR. (Part 2 of 3)

Perspectives on the Pandemic interviewed Dr. Judy Mikovits on April 16th, 2020, and again on May 15th. In her second interview, she was joined by Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. We have divided the two conversations into three parts, the first two focusing on Dr. Mikovits, and the third on Mr. Kennedy. This is part two.

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tell me what's your impression
behind the original story of covid19
that this came out of a wet market
and or what they're starting to say now
about uh the wuhan lab they're bringing
that back out
yeah well that that's a pretty simple
question to answer because
xenotransplantation is really
accelerated zoonosis
because viruses and pathogens jump
species
you know all the time in nature but it
usually takes
millions of years so when they say
this is a natural zoanosis from
a seafood market a person doesn't cook
the food or whatever it is
gets infected and then transmits it to
someone
else that doesn't happen for maybe 800
years
because bat viruses need an intermediate
host they need a gain of function
you won't go straight from the bat to
the human
because you'll kill the human and then
as we discussed earlier you the
the virus can't afford to kill its host
it has to live with it it has to hide
there
and and make more reservoirs so the
zoanosis that
occurred um with covid19
that gain of function where it looks
like
it comes from the family of sars severe
acute respiratory syndrome
slash cove ii this is another virus
in that family that is somehow emerged
to acquire the ability to infect human
cells
um and essentially um
the the only way that happens in a
decade
and not in 30 40 100 years
for that event to happen again is by way
of the laboratory which is of course
right there so i don't use the term
engineered because that's a different
term when you're a molecular virologist
and you're making
chimeras you're intentionally putting a
different
cap on a d on the on the nucleic acid of
a different virus and i don't think
that's what happened at all
but anytime you take the animal
into a laboratory and take the virus out
of it
and grow it in other cell lines
then that changes it so you accelerated
the viral evolution the zoanosis
way way way rapidly and and then you
it how did it get to 190
um countries in in in what's said to be
a month or two which doesn't fit the
biology of the situation
um when when it came from one woman and
and most people didn't come in contact
with that market
or many that were in so-called ground
zero
um the laboratories are the end
and that manipulation and growing these
cell lines which by the way we ship
around the world
and and in that study talking about the
emergence
of sars cove to how it emerged how it
came
out into people the the funding was done
by the niaid and in the material and
methods of that scientific paper
you'll see that they grew the virus they
they replicated the virus made large
stocks of
viruses in in vero the monkey
e6 cells so monkeys are close to humans
so you've acquired another ability and
if you want to think about the hiv
sequences that are
in the um the new sars
cove to that gives it expanding ability
not just to affect
the epithelial cells and and things but
to infect
white blood cells because gp4 g the the
glycoproteins from hiv
are going to stick like velcro to white
blood cells
and now you can start seeing covid19 the
disease
looks like a retroviral disease because
you've you've given it
access you've given it the ability to
infect white blood cells which
coronaviruses do don't do
and and this is why it almost has to be
a lab emerge diagnosis and i
i defunded the collaboration between the
university of north carolina
and um the wuhan laboratory and they got
the cells um the cell line
vero e6 from fort dietrich
from usamrid from their bio safety level
four
facility and entry and that it so it
went back and forth
from the u.s north carolina the u.s fort
detrick and
and and wuhan biosafety level 4 facility
and what most people won't remember but
we do because our colleagues still work
there is that the usamrid biosafety
level 4
facility was shut down for safety
concerns
in late 2018 or early 2019
and there were safety concerns at the wu
hand facility as well
so the chance that these things could
get in the water
in the feed in the food supply um it's
it's
it's not imagination there's a very real
possibility that happened
so what what i show you is my laboratory
at and the eight ball the bio weapons
laboratory
which is right here at fort detrick
here's my laboratory on the top
our bio safety level three facility is
right above that staircase
and right back behind it is what we call
the eight ball that's where they used to
gas
animals and do other kinds of bio
weapons thing
and and the um usamrid is literally
right across the field from this
location
and so um my friend mike hugo and it's a
story in the book
actually did a large environmental law
case
because some of the families outside
fort dietrich with the water supply with
the soil contamination
from fort detrick had as many as 22
different kinds of cancer you know
breast cancers are uh in in a single
family
so he had done an environmental law and
of course it was all dismissed
and this was only three or four years
ago could you just
briefly describe the gain of function
work that you were doing at fort detrick
on ebola
in science they attack you for saying
that you know you were making ebola more
deadly or more infectious but really
what
it seems to me the idea of the studies
you were doing
was so that you could then be able to
study the best ways of protecting
against it is that correct
is that why you were doing gain of
function i did two studies it was a
collaboration between the national
cancer institute and the us
you sammered us army research institute
of infectious disease
so what we were doing with ebola then um
the this simple thing is if you can't
grow a virus you can't study it
viruses don't you know they they they
have to grow
in cell lines so that so what my first
job was
was to um find a cell line
that that the the the ebola zy ear
strain which was a
highly pathogenic strain find a cell
line
that it would grow in without killing
um and and i develop cell lines you know
for 40 years now and understand how
viruses grow and those immune mechanisms
we've talked about
so among those that i chose was the vero
monkey the vero e6 cells why because
because we grew it has no type 1
interfere
on pathway and and so it's a virus
factory for rna viruses because the
front line of
silencing the virus stopping expression
is that
so yes i was growing those t finding a
cell line i say teaching it to growth to
to infect a cell without killing it
because if it kills
the cell you can't study those
mechanisms and i knew those
immune mechanisms because that's been my
entire life's work
the second thing i did in those projects
and this was published in a
a book a separate edition of the journal
nature in 1999 and i believe
i provided you with that publication of
the
short abstract of our studies for a
meeting um
was my job was to see what is the
difference
between the ebola zaire strain and the
ebola
restin strain which was non-pathogenic
against that
highly pathogenic strain so i infected
primary human monocyte that's your
frontline defense that was my
award-winning phd thesis research in
1991
just five or six years earlier so when
you infect those monocytes
and it becomes latent and then you
activate expression
what you get is so we would infect
primary human
monocytes with the pathogenic strain and
with the non-pathogenic strain
and ask what the cytokine storm is
what's the
difference in signaling an immune
response
that makes a strain highly pathogenic
versus non-pathogenic
and that happened to be the first time
probably that we'd ever used we probably
didn't use the word cytokine storm
what we used is cytokine signature of
disease which is exactly what i did
when i isolated from the patients in
2000
in 2009 infectious
xmrv i didn't look at everyone with that
with
chronic fatigue syndrome or healthy
people i looked at people who had
cytokine immune abnormalities the
inability to
control the virus and and what the
signature of disease was
which we also published bobby just
mentioned
the surfer on the beach and you know one
of the things that uh the journal
science has recently attacked you on is
this
uh where you talked about you know how
crazy it is to close the beach you've
got
and as i'm quoting you back you said
you've got sequences in the
soil in the sand you've got healing
microbes in the ocean and the salt water
and you said you know it's insanity to
bar people from that and
and they say it's not clear what
mykovits means by sand or soil sequence
there is no evidence that microbes in
the ocean can heal
covid19 patients so how would you
respond to that
criticism of theirs i didn't say that
microbes in the ocean or the sand
um could heal covid19 patients but
microbes in the soil and the sam boost
your immunity through your natural
ki skin responses along with the sun and
the vitamin d
and exercise which is also immune
boosting so
this is our natural way of developing
a healthy immune system and when you're
sanitized and kept away from those
boosting things and
in often cases and most of what we're
seeing right now there is
uh you know toxic cleaners that's all
we're breathing in our homes
so we're not getting sanitized we're
being exposed to
um and and we're not get we're not
getting exposed to the natural
environment that's what your immune
system does what's the difference
between self and non-cells
many many many microbial sequences in
in the soil in the sand in the ocean
um plants with natural healing
properties
that are absorbed through the water
through the skin
the skin is its own immune system that's
really all of it
so yeah let's let's just twist this
exactly as a microbial sequence just in
a nutshell uh all of the um little
sea creatures the little crabs along the
soil they all have dna
they all have there's microbes in that
microbes plants have infections plant
you know sand
in the sand there's natural
antimicrobials that's what
you know plants are used for and i
develop drugs from so
so you're not boosting your immune
system with the microbial
natural sequences natural products that
are in the sea in the soil it's
so by by sequences you mean like
genetics dna sequences yeah dna from
other
of other plants um little creatures
everything
this is what i did for a living first in
fermentation chemistry
that program harvested around the world
plants and soil samples
looking for antimicrobials um because
those that for equilibrium in nature you
have microbials and you have natural
antimicrobials
so being in the sand with the sequins
sequences mushrooms everything that's
in um uh you know on the beach and in
the oceans
half of what of what we did in isolated
is
anti-cancer drugs came from the ocean so
we
if we if we can't get in the oceans we
don't have the immune boosting
and we're not doing natural immunity in
a natural way
what's the name of your new book and why
did you write it
our new book is called plague of
corruption it published
yesterday and the subtitle is
restoring faith in the promise of
science
right now in our world we have
propaganda
masquerading is science so this is the
only mask i will
wear it's uh from new orleans
um and and so but now the public is wary
of what scientists tell them
and and we could we we we wrote it
because
it it literally makes it looks like
prophecy
we predicted this very event and we
started writing about it
four years ago we should have stopped
everything october 8th or probably even
july
22nd 2009
the invitation only meeting the oh my
god
look what what happened let's protect
everybody
no what did they do they covered it up
they didn't make bio safety level three
facilities and in fact they published
over the next seven or eight years
in science the journals the journals are
part of the propaganda problem
they published oh unintended spread
release of a biosafety level 2 organism
no no no the unintended release
of xmrv was a contagious
cancer-causing virus from mice to the
world
we send those cell lines everywhere so
that's why we wrote the book because
that the the only thing we can do is
show the world
that that this isn't what you think it
is we're not being told by our
top members of the public health service
who
who make a lot of money um and and
trillions of dollars
of taxpayer at taxpayers expense and and
and the taxpayers get none of the
benefits um and and
they're actually killing them redfield
berks fauci
they were all in the the kind of the
early aids
st work and they all first of all
i don't know if you're aware of this but
a few of them
um the current head of hhs who's a a
lawyer
uh not a doctor or a scientist and then
of course redfield head of cdc
burke's head of the plan she they
they're not only from that early aids
period but they're involved in
very kind of right-wing fundamentalist
christian groups and they have
recommended for instance
that uh you know the groups that
redfield's been associated with
feel like aids is god's revenge on the
gays
and uh you know there are very strange
associations
with these guys and they seem to all be
in a
self-replicating you know in a gang
that's very self-supporting
mutually supportive so i mean what what
are your thoughts on
you know just that that unit that has
stayed together for so many years from
the aids days and is still involved in
aids
berks redfield fauci how does that all
work in the world of science and
they all seem to be very connected to
the pharmaceutical industry
how does that work well they're they you
know they
they're you know they should be
convicted felons
for criminal fraud in these various
papers and publications for four
decades for for spreading hiv
and killing an entire continent in an
entire population
um how did they do that well because
they get all the funding and they get
all the publications and people like me
go away
so they they just they suicide us
there's an entire chapter in our book
on on scientists and doctors who are
killed who come up against them
um and and um so they do that because
they have the control they have the
power they have the money
if you don't publish in these journals
um you don't
continue your career um as as i
mentioned
i'm i i all my funding my my career
is like it never existed now as you know
as we testify in vaccine
court you know for the injured from
vaccines
you know you've got the doj um you know
the department of justice
there victimizing the victims even
further
and and so a lot of what's in our book
tells you how they do that
and so that's why they need to go away
and literally be convicted
of these four decades of crimes against
humanities because
this this is genocide this is a
holocaust
and you know and uh they they censor
our data they jail us they kill us they
do anything they can
you know to stop this from getting out
but maybe they just
you know and and what they say is you
know if anybody thinks about it
really why does everybody what public
health measure could it possibly serve
to take people off a beach or out of the
ocean when they're bodyboarding alone
that has nothing to do with public
health it has to do with control
and fear and and that we give up more of
our rights as
as as ronald reagan signed away our
religious freedoms and our rights
with the liability on all the vaccines
they're
liability free that's why they do it
it's a lot of money
can you just just briefly to what is
vica
oh the vaccine injury compensation act
or
vica is a is a
federal law that ronald reagan signed in
1986
to remove all liabilities from
manufacturers of vaccines and again tony
fauci was standing right next to him
saying
we won't protect you from the next
pandemic if you don't sign this
ronald reagan at the time said it's
unconstitutional
and hoped the bill would change in a
good way
that that act removed liability so you
can't sue manufacturers
hhs and the doj
so if i'm bringing a case because my
child or my
you know parents died from a flu vaccine
then you there's no discovery you go to
this
sham court i call it a kangaroo court
because
there's no discovery nobody's at fault
and and um
and you simply um you know they say oh
the vaccine can never do
that vaccines are presumed innocent
at all costs including literally
destroying these families and yet that
program
in in the last um 30 years has paid out
more than
4 billion dollars probably closer to 5
billion
even though these special masters not
even really judges
really skew it and and make certain none
of these cases see the light of day
and and literally commit fraud in the
case of the
autism um big collective group it's
called ombudsman
thousands of cases got together and
literally when
when it was shown in one of the test
cases
that vaccines could did by all the
opinions of the experts
caused that child's autism um
that the the government paid her paid
them off big
silenced everybody confidentiality sign
this piece of paper never say
anything again and then they they
proceeded to
throw every case that ever used the word
autism
and now encephaloplitus or
encephalopathy
brain inflammation tony fauci lied to
congress
february 27 2019
and and sat there and said the mmr
vaccine doesn't cause
encephalitis and in fact it does and
it's on the
package insert from the manufacturer how
safe and effective is the
measles vaccine the mmr vaccine
and how would you compare it to other
vaccines well
let's talk about efficacy first it is
clearly one of if not the most effective
vaccine that we have it's uh as as dr
messonja said we really
can't get much better than that that's
the reason why we don't want to tinker
with its efficacy 97
is really really good and as both of us
have said many times
it is a very safe vaccine over millions
and millions and millions of doses
that have been given it is a very very
safe vaccine
in my opinion it's not a coincidence
that in 2011 there was a case called
bruce witz
and it's it's discussed in our book
plague of corruption
which basically removed everybody from
liability
the drugstore clerk anybody um you know
associated pediatricians
you know any liability at all from
injury um
and of course pediatricians make a lot
of money
from from vaccines they're paid very
well
with their vaccine program so they will
ruin your career in your life if you say
a word
we have kids that got seizure disorders
develop seizure disorders
from vaccines and now here in california
their doctor had written
you no more vaccines they're they're
susceptible to injury
and the public health of california
overrules that now
and in order for these kids to go to
school they have to get
vaccinated and and the next shot could
kill them
when we had replicated um luke
montagne's work and our paper was in
press
tony fauci called me on the phone while
dr recetti was out of town
and told me to give him and dr gallo
dr robert gallo a copy of our paper
which was confidential in press um
basically so that they could copy the
work they delayed the publication of our
paper
and gallo came out with a paper of his
own
um and and of course this created a huge
problem because many got infected while
two countries literally fought over
who um discovered the virus um and
and this was the debacle in the 80s that
ronald reagan
presided over so um tony pouchy
um uh was he was tony felchi was not
well loved by
aids activists in in my understanding is
that right
yeah not at all and and and and um
you know and not well loved by any of us
in the work
because um you know it appeared that for
monetary gains you know he's got patents
on
on interleukin 2 which dr frank rossetti
discovered why does he have patents on
interleukin-2 therapy
so for almost a decade that because he
had those patents
the drugs that were made in the studies
that were funded
were to target the t cell
and and and again it wasn't until my
work in 1991
kind of exploded it our work dr rossetti
and martine
um because frankfurt said he was my phd
mentor
you know that that it was clear um
that this was the wrong thing so how
many people
died because tony fauci steered
everybody to where
um he had a monetary gain in
in that situation i think we can see
that
right now playing out in this you know
we
know that alpha interferon um
is is not only curative but can prevent
the next round so we're hearing about oh
well
um it's going to come back in a year and
until we have a vaccine
um it it you know everybody locks down
well the the
the things that should have been done to
mitigate the infection
was alpha interferon and and the
hydroxychloroquine
right away to all the vulnerable do the
right
tests the serology test to ask how long
that virus has been there and do we have
a large population of people who will
never get sick from the virus
and have in fact neutralizing antibodies
which would be
a vaccine as we grow those up and give
those to
the susceptible which is what is was
done
um you know in the past we've never made
a sex successful vaccine
despite trillions of dollars in hiv
in hiv to hiv and in 20 years
not not to sars or mers and cr in fact
they accelerate the disease
and and kill more rapidly and there are
several publications
on on all of that could you speak about
um
there i i'm aware of those uh study you
know the studies that were attempted
even very
pro vaccine schedule doctors like
often others have been very concerned
about
the possible you know rushing a sars
vaccine uh because of those studies but
can you speak to a government study that
uh suggested that those who had received
the influenza vaccine were more
susceptible to non-influenza
pathogens like coronaviruses
um absolutely so um that study there
were
three studies that that i came across
with different kinds of
influenza vaccines but what it basically
says
is that there's a term called viral
interference that giving an in giving a
flu vaccine
um would give you sort of a
broad paint brush protection for other
kinds of
upper respiratory rna infections like
coronaviruses
but the study that came out from that
was done in 2018 and 19
in in military who had received the
vaccines
said that those people were 36 percent
more likely to get sars and and
and more disease from it and with other
vaccines there were three other vaccines
that showed
um the influenza different comp
formulations
could enhance the pathogenesis even more
make people sicker
if they got that vaccine and and so my
frustration is that's what
tony fauci came out and what is still
being said
by the cdc get the flu vaccine because
it'll offer you
protection when they absolutely know the
opposite will happen
if you look up snopes or on wikipedia
or on uh you know there's a chicago
tribune story
there there's essentially uh what looks
like
hit pieces they're very negative
articles about you
and and you know and so could you just
address
what what how wikipedia describes your
case or snopes
or any of those kinds of organizations
uh
yeah i mean there there's nothing that
they say about
what i supposedly did um that's true
um they say you know i like i was fired
on september 29th um and and i was fired
for insolence and
insubordination but what wikipedia said
was i was fired because i didn't give a
reagent
that was accidentally shipped to my lab
well that reagent was purposely
shifted to my lab and and it was
intended use
was to misappropriate federal funds and
and
of our grants and cover up what happened
as the government carried out their
threat if i gave that talk on september
26
you know my grants will be removed you
know they didn't say it that way
but that you know i i was threatened and
it's clear i wrote the exact email in
the book that i said to them
um which was actually quite funny i must
have been angry
but at any rate um and basically they
just carried out their threats and they
watergate style broke into my lab
took all the key data which is who is
infected what did the strains look like
where where were the locations
so they could cover up the clusters and
and just you know
false arrest no warrant no nothing but
that's not what wikipedia says
and the chicago tribune when we got
close
our family studies in 2010 which we
gave at that um nih workshop september
6th and 7th
2010 it was clear in families
where people had cfs or other cancers
associated with the xmrvs
those families had kids that were
susceptible
to getting autism from vaccines wake up
this dormant and it spread the
reservoirs of xmrv's through the
families
and and that was what the data
absolutely said
and then the the whittimores whose
daughter
was cured with the very simple drugs
that i mentioned
and by you know what clearly we isolated
the virus from their very sick daughter
you know i'm sure although i don't know
you know they
they threatened you know harvey
whittimore had committed
um and was actually is actually now a
convicted felon
for a campaign fraud um uh with
with harry reid who was then that the
the
senate majority leader is over health
and human services
so they simply who who is whittemore um
harvey
he was the he's the owner of the uh my
boss he
he's the founder and funder of the
whitamore peterson institute that
institute
that that we literally formed in 2006.
so so my boss who we he
you know he should have held the patent
along with me and frank rossetti for the
diagnostics
think about these pcr tests well he
decided to use federal funds
to to manufacture tests that weren't
validated
and and charge medicare for them which
of course is fraud
in his own private company um and and of
course so it's you know who goes to jail
you make mike of its in the data go away
because she just gave the talk that said
the the viruses are real and and and
proved that
the the molecular mechanisms behind it
so they just
systematically between ian lipkin
the whitamores and you can follow all of
that
in the journal science even years later
23 articles john cohen wrote
um to you know to basically beleaguered
you know
in a rare move authors forced to retract
you know a false positive december 2011
they published
a mug shot they show max post
my student who um they also um
threatened with his life they show him
pointing to my
notebook this is supposedly a mug shot
run in the journal science
this isn't a mug shot you know that's
that there you can't take a mug shot
if there is no crime never a day in
court
never anything we had a case that you
never
charged were you never charged with
anything never charged
never a day in court forced into
bankruptcy
had a had a case for you know
racketeering and conspiracy they call it
key tam for wrongful termination and and
this destruction
of my career and my reputation against
the whitmore's
against everybody at the university who
keeps the funding
so you can always follow it back to tony
fauci
beleaguered institute keeps funding
keeps grants
to this day they get paid and they
publish
fraud they publish this was this was
great funding that you
and your partner secured for the
institute i was the principal
investigator
i secured for the institute more than
five
million dollars in the in the four and a
half years i was there
and from a major um diagnostic company
a hundred and fifty thousand dollars a
month almost
two million dollars to develop the blood
test
based on what was in our original paper
well the whittimores didn't have a
contract with me
because i shine a shake hand agreement
uh you know um that when they when they
asked me to come to the institute
um and i had another job offer to make
biological therapies in cancer in san
francisco
um they said what do you want and i said
i want a five-year guaranteed contract
because it's going to take me a while to
put this together and bring the right
people in
to then build we had to literally build
the buildings
build the collaborations do it quickly
for everything i'd done in the
biological response modifiers and a
signing bonus so i didn't have to sell
my house in california
but wait a second judy just tell me
where the majority of that funding why
is fauci involved
the majority of the founded funding was
a grant from the nia
id tony fauci they kept the grants
that's another rare move never does a
principal investigator
lose their grants especially when the
institute they work for
and it doesn't have a qualified
principal investigator
and the institute itself was found to be
misappropriating federal funds
so they're not charged they keep the
money in perpetuity to this day
millions of dollars to the people they
they
they were paid off um to to keep it
quiet
and fauci did fouch did you ever have
any direct interaction with fauci over
this
oh absolutely that was the the
replication study
so that that was funded and and i was
not allowed
on nih property to do the study
i'm sorry so did you just make that just
briefly more clear for me
so so tony when when in 2012 after i was
fired
you know i should have taken my grants
to
say uc santa barbara where i am right
now i think any institution in his bad
funding was in 2011 would have loved
five million dollars in indirect costs
which is
you know five million dollars to them a
hundred percent is usually indirect
costs for the institution
to turn on the lights and supply
everything that you don't use in the
grant
i like like consumables so he you know
so that money um you know i would have
if the replication study had had been
true right and true um and we had proven
there was
xmrv in in cfs patients and
satisfied that association which we
would have done
if fauci had not stopped the study when
we got to the only positive group
and when fauci forbade me from going
into lab
i did that replication study i did
virology by
phone i was not allowed in an
nih funded lab and haven't been
since that day but you when you call it
a replication study you were
that means you were trying to replicate
the results from your first study
correct is that the idea
correct and yeah and were you able to
actually do that
um by phone we would have
but tony fauci stopped the study when we
found it positive
he said i'm tired of wasting money
literally we'd gotten another year and
all the way through it
and he stopped the study and applied a
statistical
program and that's all in our first book
plague
and it details in fact ian lipkin
himself
who was you know paid by fouchy um you
know
tens of millions of dollars for these
grants people get a lot of money for
grant program and
ian lipkin um said at the end of the
book that they went back and looked at
the stanford samples from the montoya
study
and they found it almost exactly what we
found
80 percent positive we would have
confirmed we
would have but he stopped it and then
just ruined my career through the
journal science and the editorials
in 2011 when it became clear
that the blood supply was contaminated
um fauci tony fauci literally we had
about
five million dollars in grants from the
dod
with me as principal investigator at our
institute
from the dod and from niaid
that's tony fauci's national institute
of allergy
and infectious disease so i was um
tony fauci directed um basically the
confiscation of
my entire career all of my notebooks um
two
offices um and and and all of
my notebooks and and computers and and
and
then um once that was done
um he he was directing
the so-called replication study that um
he directed
ian lipkin to do which when francis
collins in 2010
found the blood supply contaminated um
he asked me to francis colin asked me
where did you get the negative
controls in the uk and i said our
colleague
from the blood supply so four percent in
the blood supply is a big deal when it
never
when hiv was never more than a point one
or two
so this was a really big deal both in
europe and here
so um that's when dr collins told dr
fauci do a replication study a very
large replication study and fund it
from niaid well um tony fauci
directed ian lipkin to do this where
they
um they literally just didn't simply
didn't put
any of the patient groups anybody that
with chronic fatigue except
literally people they called who were
tired out of the phone book
no nobody with the inflammatory
signatures nobody with the things that
we said
pointed to the retrovirus is as a
causative agent for their disease
um the second so that didn't trouble us
all that much
because um we knew there was one
patient population from stanford that
was still
in the replication study and when
well when the study started um
tony fauci put an order out that said
if i flew into nih airspace
meaning i couldn't do the study in a
laboratory
i've been locked out of my laboratories
fired
and was literally here home in
california
and all of my grants taken away from me
um later on but basically i was arrested
as a fugitive from justice here in
ventura california
and held there for five days with no due
process
you know while you know basically a
story was made up and evidence
evidence planted in my house of those
notebooks well those notebooks with my
handwriting
is who are the people who's in the study
so we refused even
after all of that even after the arrest
when
um you know with without a job and
everything taken away
we still refuse to not proceed with the
replication study because we knew we
would be found to be right
so tony fauci just said i'd be arrested
if i stepped foot
on nih and you could in 2016
four years later i went to nih to fort
dietrich to
to pick up a paper from the library and
when i walked in the security office
they said i'm sorry judy we have to
detain you
you know it says you're a fugitive from
justice so
um you know this is you know and and
that study came out is no there's no
association
xmrv all a host the journal science
commission fraud they publish the paper
that
was an association study in september of
2011
to cover up that the blood supply was
contaminated
and essentially from that time um
you know they've done everything they
can um
to make certain that xmrv went away
you know the whole thing started then
was with tony
fauci getting science to um to
to withdraw that study not because it
was wrong
but because judy got arrested and why
did she get arrested because tony
ouch used his political clout and
to fool harry reid and to
um and to convince local police in
california nevada that she had committed
a crime by
stealing materials from
nih in fact legally i'm an attorney
those materials which were her notebooks
her hard drives and all of her logs
for that experiment legally belonged
to judy megavis they didn't belong to
nih under the
under the grant under the federal grant
she the researcher who is the principal
researcher in that grand process
has essential ownership of all the
materials that are created
oh his accusation you know for at first
he went to judy and he said look
this can all be settled don't worry you
got a great career here
you can stay here forever and you'll
have a brilliant career but you've got
to withdraw
that article did fauci himself say that
or were
intermediaries no it was actually the
intermediaries the funders and the
ian lipkin principally others that were
with regard to science and the studies
that he funded because
he never st he never came to us he's
just the funder it was seven million
dollars
um to my institute and he sent his
grants administrators
who basically said you know it'll
it'll be fine as long as you you know
you voluntarily retract the paper tell
me did science ask you
uh to retract your paper voluntarily
can you just describe that moment so in
in 2011
um when it was clear there was a real
problem with
so many disease associations and when it
was clear that the infectious molecular
clone
wasn't you know what was contaminated
that it was in fact these
these zoanos viruses from vaccines in a
contaminated blood supply
science the journal came to
dr rossetti and i and and asked us to
retract the paper
um dr rossetti and i argued with data
and quite cogently
that the only data that needed to be
removed from the paper
was bob silverman's figure one which
showed that the infectious clone was not
what the virus
um we isolated well now bob silverman
had the patent
on vp62 and the with the viruses
so you understand in diagnosis if if
that diagnostic test never found a
single positive
and our diagnostic test works then of
course we had the patent
um so um science the journal agreed
to um uh to only take that
out of the the paper and partially
retract it
as the rest of the authors everyone on
the paper agreed
when i gave the talk that they
threatened me if i did
if i didn't renounce xmrv and and turn
the
turn the data back on september 22nd
2011
if i didn't say there was no xmrv in the
blood supply
and that we had made a mistake um i
i i would be ruined and and and beyond
so they carried out that threat as i
gave the appropriate talk
and then they said we um manipulated a
figure in
the paper which wasn't true and they
later found wasn't true
so basically when i was arrested
science the journal said we've lost
confidence in the whole thing
and and they forced the retraction
against
the authors um four of the authors on
the paper there was an initial
retraction
and then the other authors also
retracted in some way or another
the journal in 2011 the journal science
says we note that the majority of the
authors agree in principle to retract
the report but they've been unable to
agree on the wording of their statement
it is science's opinion
that our attraction signed by all the
authors is unlikely to be forthcoming we
are therefore editorially retracting the
report
so is it true that your co-authors on
the paper
uh wanted to withdraw their support for
the paper and
i guess if you could talk about what the
partial retraction was at first
and then briefly what led to the other
authors
uh pulling out if that's in fact what
happened yeah that's what's most
important is the partial retraction
so in throughout the studies we did
um and the the reasons technically that
some of that
that the studies were negative was
because
the virus was originally identified in
prostate cancer
but only as sequences so what was key to
our 2009 paper
was it was the first ever isolated
um isolation of infectious and
transmissible virus
and showing that it could be secondarily
infected
into other humans and and showing the
spread of it through
families and communities that were
associated with the infected
what bob silverman and and joe darisi
did was a technique where they only
looked a pcr
technique where they only looked them uh
at a small
portion of the virus in the genomes of
men with aggressive prostate cancer so
they then
made an infectious molecular clone a
synthetic clone in the lab
in and this was in 2005 and six
well before i even started my studies
but i did do
uh prostate cancer drug development so i
was aware of this work
uh when i was at the nih working with
johns hopkins
so at any rate we um um
that clone that infectious molecular
clone
when we collaborated with him once we
isolated our the viruses from the people
we sent it to bob silverman's lab
to be uh sequenced and so it was bob
silverman's lab that on three different
occasions
failed to sequence the viruses we
isolated
as vp 62 or directly
related that infectious molecular clone
that strain
so what as the as the negative studies
came up
they would target their their assays
only to detect
that strain vp62 and that's all we were
as and so
um joy das gupta is the name name of the
scientist who did the sequencing
in bob silverman's lab at the cleveland
clinic um
and he by the fourth time um
he's told dr rossetti or he told us that
one more sample one more try and then
we'll give up it's not that virus
and lo and behold this time he found our
samples
were in fact the virus we isolated he
sequenced
as vp 62. it was closely closest related
to nvp 62 means virus from prostate
cancer from patient number 62.
but again they only had pieces we had
the whole virus
and as to as as the tests were tailored
um the negative studies towards that
virus
and this particularly the serology test
it was very clear
vp62 was never in humans
it never was the virus they had the
patent with
abbott labs and at the time so in fact
it was in their
interest to continue saying they had
discovered xmrv when in fact
we had discovered xmrvs there were many
strains
and so but by the time that was realized
in 2011
that was the partial retraction it was
very clear from
all of the science so we all everyone on
the paper
agreed that figure one was wrong the pcr
was wrong
that testing was wrong and in fact
we had actually discovered xmrvs and it
was a
family of multiple strains and it not
only came from mice
but there were monkey there were mink
cell focus forming so
other small animals that had these
families of gamma retroviruses they're
called
so the the partial retraction was
accepted
by the journal and and again this didn't
play well
because the blood supply was so heavily
contaminated
so we continued to refuse to
publish fraudulent studies and say our
studies were wrong so they forced the
retraction
after i was held in jail so they held me
in jail and the other authors
were lost confidence because of the
sheer
bizarre events of putting somebody in
jail
accusing her of being a fugitive from
justice with no charges behind it
oh the mysterious did the notebooks go
here there so it was that
circus where um science the journal uh
you know told dr rossetti um that they'd
lost confidence and they were gonna
force the retraction but at that
time um neither frank nor my two
students who had done all the work
um we still refused to retract it but
dr rossetti and the other co-authors of
course did not want to lose their
careers
who is ian lipkin and what was his role
in regards to your paper in science
did you in fact acknowledge at some
point as the journal science now
maintains
that his findings were correct and quote
that there was no evidence
that xmrv is a human pathogen did you
ever say that at any point
the the word i used was it and it goes
exactly to the story
so w ian lipkin is the
is the doctor who led the multi-center
study he was assigned when francis
collins
on september 6 ordered dr fauci to fund
a multi-center study
a large study to show the association
nobody ever denied the existence the
association with chronic fatigue
syndrome
um ian lipkin was made the senior
investigator
in charge of the study and so
um when and this is what i just said a
few minutes ago
um they during the meeting to set the
funding
and set the study design that was held
november 4th
2010 and the dates matter because
on november 4th 2010 a lot of the data
suggested there was something wrong with
vp62
but because the title of our paper said
xmrv in our in our science
paper and the only um sequence that was
reported in that paper was
the synthetic clone that we now know
wasn't the virus and never was the virus
that was the only thing that we can
could find
in the multi-center study but in fact
our our assays did find positive samples
and
and again this is where tony fauci
stopped the study
so the study design sets november 4th
2010 you cannot veer from that study
or it's considered fraud they veered in
several respects from that study
in that harold varmus then the director
of
nobel laureate harold varmus then the
director of the national cancer
institute
and my colleague dr recetti's boss so dr
recetti was also
on these publications had insisted
that the vp 262 infectious molecular
clone
be put into a number of the samples and
the investigators not told about that
so he limited our ability to do our
cultures um
because um the contamination would
spread and then they would say it was
contamination
when we found that positive so again
that's one study
part of it that's fraud the net the rest
of it is that
um again they had no legitimate groups
they didn't have chronic fatigue
syndrome with the inflammatory signaling
and the epigenetic
um the epigenetic problems which was our
basis
we had immunological proof just like we
see today the
cytokines signature of the disease of
the infection of scars cove too
so um the the patient populations
weren't correct
when we got to the end fauci stopped the
study they applied statistics
and and ian lipkin told me and dr
assetti
look we need to put this to bed
everybody knows it's not
vp 62. everybody knows there never was
any evidence of vp 62. that's the only
thing you can call
xmrv that was the title of your paper
that was bob silverman
those were the data that were partially
retracted in june of 2011. so this study
was
most of the winter and and and the
summer of 2012.
so it at the end of the day as we sat in
the press conference so
um and unblinded the study um we
unblinded the study in the middle of the
summer it was published it wasn't
published in science it was published in
a journal called
m bio and and that study was published
september
and october issue in 2012.
so it was it was he was a he applied the
statistics when
tony fauci stopped the study and he told
me and frank in
email and other places we all need to
put this in bed and john coffin
who wrote that a company article said
earlier that year there's
it's clear there are many strains of
gamma retroviruses
just not that one and so
because we've because we've gathered is
a part of this important study
um thousands of samples now of cfs
patients and we can really drill down
on the other viruses and re-isolate the
correct ones
you simply must say because that was the
study design
it's not there i didn't say they're not
there
and i was not aware of the sentence in
the abstract that said
there's no evidence anywhere because
table table three said clearly
six point one percent of of the viruses
in
in the patients and the controls so
that's it i made the quote because i was
told
he we only could look for vp 62 by
w ian lipkin and of course he committed
the rest of the fraud with applying the
statistics
you know we did a recent interview with
an independent journalist named sam
husseini
and in that interview he revealed that
ian lipkin your old friend
was one of the first of all he was one
of the consultants on the film contagion
i don't know if you know that and he's
also been very vocal in denying the
possibility
that sarsko v2 could have been released
from a lab accidentally or otherwise
can you just give us more of a sense of
who he is what interest would he have
in protecting the idea whether it's the
wuhan lab or
the lab you know fort dietrich or
wherever is there
what what interest might he have in
protecting the idea that this could have
been a kind of a gain of function
experiment gone wrong or or intentional
well because um you know ian lipkin um
in september in october of 2012
right after um he made certain that the
xmrvs were dead
and gone i think according to science
journal
he was awarded 34 million dollars by
to create by tony tony fauci to create
the center for
diagnostics and discovery and and since
that time he has used that money
in collaboration with uh the barrick lab
in north carolina with the chinese at
wuhan
um accelerating that work and and
um um you know uh causing
the the cell lines that these animal
tissues um that the virus the corona
viruses are grown in
happen to be the same cell lines the
vero
e6 the vero monkey kidney cells that
carried those
xmrvs into humans um
among several cell lines as we discussed
earlier
so um his his interest is in covering
up and and and burying literally
calling covid19 those those 50 million
americans he
knows those forget cfs association
those eight four to eight percent that
were
infected by contaminated blood supply
and vaccines
um that that um are are not necessarily
asymptomatic carriers but have these
diseases
they will die they will be buried if
coven nobody will do a test
and nobody will ever see that in fact
that that the
the path the carrier passengers
along in those in those
tsar's coronavirus discoveries in those
cultures and those
vets they grew the virus and changed the
virus
were those very viruses that we
discovered and associated
um with the the diseases the the
neuroimmune disease the cancer
those are the clinical symptoms we're
seeing right now that are being covered
19.
this is a cover-up they will bury them
and they can say
just as they cleaned up the blood supply
after 2011 because when i
identified the contaminated blood supply
i also
identified that there was a way to clean
it up so they didn't have to worry about
the blood supply and the people on those
papers were paid off
tens of millions of dollars to clean up
the blood supply you know
oh so quietly say yeah judy mykovitz is
crazy
it was never contaminated yeah the data
don't support that they it was
contaminated
and that's proof in our new book plague
of corruption with
um both of our books have thousands of
references even including
emails between tony fauci and ian lipkin
um
you know essentially um making those
quid pro quo
deals that i mentioned where i would
where we were we were told
everybody knows there are more gamma
retroviruses there judy
just put to bed vp 62. it never was that
as they twisted this fraud so i believe
this is a cover-up
of the xmrvs and and they're growing
them in the same animal tissue
cell lines and they have since the
beginning since 13 since 14
and he's funding those studies those
very pathways i
identified those paradigm shifting
pathways of epigenetics and dna
methylation
and how viruses are silenced and how
they're activated
exactly as we just discussed all of
these natural things that we do
prevent the activation and and he's
covering up the
the literally bearing again the patients
he's already injured
it's interesting to note that the
confirmatory study of our work
um our 2008 publication which similar to
the semi-wise situation
it was it was um greeted with great
fanfare
and then in science the journal even
published an editorial saying oh how
wonderful this is
one new virus how many old diseases and
this was
authored by john coffin who is in the
national academy of sciences uh so there
was great fanfare
and when the extent of the injuries i
mean with the extents of the diseases
the association
and showing that in fact the
contaminated blood supply was a
primary source um and principal
that the infection in the united states
was
25 to 40 times the height of
hiv during the aids epidemic and that
was only a million americans
and i say only a million americans in
1991.
so what harvey alter and colleagues and
and xi xing low
had done when our paper published was
they went
back to a box that they'd had in the
freezer since the early days of hiv
when when patients with women and
children and others who didn't fit the
the demographic the susceptibility group
of
aids hiv aids which was called gay
related immune deficiency and it was men
iv drug users prostitutes here were
um you know family women and and
children
and um xi xing low pulled the box out of
the freezer did the exact
testing that we had done and um and
his his boss there he was at the fda and
his boss was harvey alter
who has alaska award uh that's the
american equivalent of the nobel prize
and so um they found 86 percent
of the people with cfs they used to call
it non-hiv aids
because they didn't fit the patient
population and and clearly
there was no evidence of hiv so he had
announced and and published his study
in the journal of pnas the proceedings
of the
academy of sciences which is also the
national academy of sciences which is
also a premier journal in the world
so here within six months of our
publication
is a confirmatory study that's even
bigger and more importantly
he the control group in that situation
from samples from the early 90s
the control group was 7 infected and so
now we know that the blood supply has
been contaminated
since the 90s and and it hadn't been
cleaned up because it's only checked for
hiv
and so now there's another family of
viruses that spread around the world
unchecked for for 30 or 40 years
so harvey also was alter was also
encouraged
to withdraw his study they didn't force
its retraction and he did withdraw it
and the reason why he withdrew it
is because he had no more samples so he
had no more of that box
in order to replicate his work he had to
use the same samples
so uh so you see our work was confirmed
and around the world it was extended
and then when the evidence became so
great of the
a number of diseases that are associated
and the disease that probably
was the straw that broke the camel's
back for me as i gave a talk
uh at columbia to an expert on a disease
called
itp which is it idiopathic
thrombocytopenia it's a platelet
disorder bleeding disorder
and itp is long associated with
fatigue and and some of the things we
see in patients with chronic fatigue
syndrome
so in that study by the world's expert
in
in the in that group who pro who
provided us the samples we found more
than 30
of people with itp had in fact uh
had evidence of the mouse the xmrv
infections and what's important about
that is
itp is listed as a side effect on
mmr vaccine so we now have more
evidence for injury and the development
of cognitive and learning disorders
from itp and i gave that talk in new
york june 1st
of 2011 and it was other than the
september 22nd talk it was the last talk
of my professional career
how has this recent firestorm i mean
you've been through them before
but this is a this is a pretty big one
how how
has it affected you uh are you how are
you bearing up
under all this this is absolutely
nothing compared to false arrest
jailing losing everything being forced
into bankruptcy
under threat of going back to jail being
silenced
from 2011 to 15 doing
doing a replication study that mattered
to
25 million americans and doing it by
telephone
and then having fouchy stop the study
convince dr hanson convince doctor said
oh it has to be contamination voodoo oh
all the samples
all the centers were equally represented
that was pure hell
this is nothing they have no new you
know come on come up with something
prove you didn't falsely arrest me go to
the nih i went there november 15th of
2016.
it still says judy mykovitz is a
fugitive from justice
who put that on you know they're running
scared because i can
still prove everything except figure one
in that paper is right and true to this
day
and i have every sample to prove it it's
in the last chapter of the book they
think they compensated everything but
they forgot
that mentor of 37 years had to have
every copy of data that i've ever worked
on
and we do and we're exposing this plague
of corruption
and and this is the fun part except for
we've got to stop
the plague of corruption that is cobit
19.
you what would it require what would it
take for you to
to expand and continue the work that you
were doing before
well i mean i i've never we've never
stopped working so i continue to make
therapeutics i continue to work with
patients i continue to look for adverse
events we've had a small
consulting company since 2015 since i
was allowed to enter
back into work we've served as expert
witnesses in vaccine court for many
years so we can start to see
the injuries and who's susceptible and
how to heal so we've
developed those formulations with
natural products including cannabis
and and mixing them with therapeutics we
can heal all this
right now we could make a safe vaccine
we can continue to make the safe immune
therapies
i made my entire life so i haven't
stopped i don't need to be in a lab
you know i have a brain